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Skippers Aviation Cessna Conquest makes forced landing on highway

Old 15th Mar 2018, 09:05
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The submariner's motto, "Taurus excreta cerebrum vincit," translates - "Bull**** conquers brains".
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Old 15th Mar 2018, 10:25
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Here's a thought:

THere's about 40 Conquests working in Australia at the moment and we (industry, the people directly responsible for the safety of the travelling public) have had no guidance from ATSB about what might have caused Renmark or Broome (although we have plenty of theories).

There's about 100 KingAirs (90, 100, 200, 300) working in Australia and we, the industry directly responsible for the safety of the travelling public, are still none the wiser about likely causes of the Essendon accident, although we all have a pet theory.

Is this really acceptable?
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Old 15th Mar 2018, 12:09
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Is this acceptable? Not in first-world aviation nation.

But this is Australia.
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Old 15th Mar 2018, 12:49
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But this is Australia.
Ops Normal. Incredibly, it took three years for ATSB to publish the incident to the A320 that made a visual approach to Melbourne Runway 16 and stuffed up the descent on to final due wrong button pushing sequence..

https://www.atsb.gov.au/publications...r/ao-2015-018/
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Old 15th Mar 2018, 20:07
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Originally Posted by The Green Goblin
Garrett’s don’t tend to stop very easily once they’re going. Especially at the same time. Bloody great engines.

It’d have to be fuel related.
Ehhhhh. I disagree slightly. A company that is now defunct, had 20 Jeststreams with TPE 331 on them. They threw the bull gear through row 1 on occasion. When the engine did surge, it was so ‘vigorous’ that it became impossible to read the engine instruments when trying to ascertain if within limits (per the QRH). They were also loud AF.

Other than that, I agree with you. Especially the part about ‘at the same time’
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Old 16th Mar 2018, 00:44
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Is this really acceptable?
No way is it this acceptable!!

When a report does finally emerge, we get all this "fluff" to pad out the report instead of highlighting the bleeding obivious.
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Old 16th Mar 2018, 00:50
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Exactly. The ATSB report into that stuffed up visual approach is not worth the paper it was printed on. Three years and no analysis of the root cause of the problems.

But that should be the subject of another thread.
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Old 17th Mar 2018, 15:07
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To be ICAO compliant a State requires effective regulatory and investigative organisations. These require effective management, suitably trained personnel and suitable funding.
Australia has the poorly managed, underfunded CASA and ATSB, to create the illusion of compliance, nothing more. Ultimately it’s the ministers fault, but it will take a smoking hole in the ground filled with a HC Jet before change will occur
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Old 18th Mar 2018, 01:44
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Originally Posted by StickWithTheTruth
If it was a complex issue that warranted investigation, it wouldn't have been flown out that day or so soon after.

It is reported that a Mayday was called and an Emergency Landing was carried out in this low capacity RPT aircraft.


That clearly warrants an investigation.


But what is baffling is that at the time of the incident 4.20pm on a Friday afternoon, who gave permission to touch or work on the aircraft?


Also would be interesting is to know what the current data that must of been on hand, says in relation to maintenance required after engine surge and subsequent inflight shut down - no doubt the MR will have the I.A.W references to chapters written in.


Then there would be most likely company procedures approved by CASA in relation to requirements after an incident or emergency for both aircraft and crew.


Even charter aircraft I have had to wait hours before I got the go ahead to touch the aircraft after an emergency landing.
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Old 18th Mar 2018, 02:22
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Guess they couldn't leave it blocking the main highway.
Looks like it went for a fly on the 15th.
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Old 18th Mar 2018, 03:21
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-----underfunded CASA
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You speak in jest, of course.
Have a looks at the size of the CASA payroll versus the extent of aviation in Australia, versus almost any other reasonable like for like comparison, and you will find that CASA is a huge organisation, pro-rata, that has had significant expansion in numbers (of very well paid) and $$$$, as the aviation industry (outside HCRPT Operations) shrinks.
And you want to us to believe it is underfunded?? Gimmee a break!!
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Old 18th Mar 2018, 04:21
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Originally Posted by Capt Fathom
Guess they couldn't leave it blocking the main highway.
Looks like it went for a fly on the 15th.

It is allowable to move the aircraft if it poses a danger to person/s or animals, but removing the aircraft is not mentioned.


However it seems by the evidence that it was possible to detour around the aircraft.


I will guess that a few people will get the please explain letter/s.
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Old 21st Mar 2018, 19:05
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Two 44gal liquid containing drums delivered roadside. Emptied into wings. Plane takes off and continues operations as if nothing happened.
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Old 21st Mar 2018, 22:06
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Are you saying that is what "did" happen, or what "probably" happened??
I agree with those suggesting that the general gist of the cause of this should be shared with other operators, lest there be something operators should know about...
But, if it just ran out of juice, well, that's pretty cut and dry!
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Old 21st Mar 2018, 22:11
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Lead sled, I must apologise. I should have said fiscally mismanaged. All the money is spent on legal drafters, and bull**** middle management positions who filter the flow of information.

Out of curiosity, does anyone know who actually does the legal drafting for CASA?Are there private companies that do the drafting? In the same fashion as manual writers? I mean, what a money spinner!! Employ your own company to do the drafting, then drag the RRP out for twenty years so your drafting company is set for life!!!!
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Old 21st Mar 2018, 23:03
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Originally Posted by Badengo
Two 44gal liquid containing drums delivered roadside. Emptied into wings. Plane takes off and continues operations as if nothing happened.
Eddie Dean said, earlier in this thread, that he was there and no fuel was uplifted.
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Old 22nd Mar 2018, 00:01
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Originally Posted by Lead Balloon
Eddie Dean said, earlier in this thread, that he was there and no fuel was uplifted.
Perhaps Eddie Dean could expand on that. Is this what he saw / didn't see? Or is it what he was told as he passed by?

I can't imagine that he'd have sat there for any length of time to definitively say that it didn't happen.
I doubt that a Conquest would block that section of road for a Tojo off a station.
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Old 22nd Mar 2018, 00:30
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C'mon, you know you want to tell us what happened. It will feel so much better when you get it off your chest.
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Old 22nd Mar 2018, 03:33
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Are there private companies that do the drafting?
Vref+5,
Last time I noticed, all legal drafting was done by the Office of Parliamentary Counsel, to the VERY, VERY DETAILED instructions of the client, CASA, including that everything is criminal (not civil) law and with rare exceptions, strict liability and 50 penalty points.
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Old 22nd Mar 2018, 07:40
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AWI Larard, (retd) suggested to me that if I had a problem with the regs I should write to John Howard, PM at the time. !! WTF would he know ???

Another casa person told me on the phone..." I bet you dont know who writes the regulations.."
'I have some idea...but do fill me in.'
"The Governor General " says he. That really cracked me up !

Yes, yes, I can see it !
On a very cold winter's night in Canberra, sitting close to the fire with glass of port in hand and a quill in the other busy scribbling and scratching away with much legalese and contradictory convolution, old white haired GG doing his bit of the Commonwealth.
Top stuff.
Or when Aleck, Anustasi, LSD, Uncle Tom Cobbley and CASA have finished editing, re-writing and expanding it all for him, ( for 'safety' reasons) what we actually have is a top stuff up.
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