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Old 10th Mar 2018, 03:54
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If you paste the last recorded LatLong from Flightaware into Google Maps ......

-18.0807 122.5807

Close enough for government work!
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Old 10th Mar 2018, 04:44
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Originally Posted by WingNut60
Sorry, now I'm confused.
Do you mean SSE of Roebuck roadhouse and (well) north of Sandfire?

And I presume the ladies were in Roebuck hotel, in Broome.
You'd be the first ringer I know of who was at all concerned about loveliness.
Roebuck Roadhouse is not in Broome.
And yes, well north of Sandfire- had the directions reversed, but only an uneducated ringer.
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Originally Posted by Capt Fathom
If you paste the last recorded LatLong from Flightaware into Google Maps ......

-18.0807 122.5807

Close enough for government work!
OK, thanks. Had not even considered FlightAware.

Roebuck Roadhouse is not in Broome.
Yes, aware of that. But Roebuck Hotel is.
And more likely to have "lovelies" than Roebuck Roadhose, out at the T-junction.

And yes, well north of Sandfire- had the directions reversed, but only an uneducated ringer.
OK. Thought you may have them in reverse.
Just having a dig about the ringer thing. Don't take it personally.
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Old 11th Mar 2018, 00:17
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Garrett’s don’t tend to stop very easily once they’re going. Especially at the same time. Bloody great engines.

It’d have to be fuel related.
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Old 11th Mar 2018, 01:25
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Originally Posted by The Green Goblin
Garrett’s don’t tend to stop very easily once they’re going. Especially at the same time. Bloody great engines.

It’d have to be fuel related.
Lets say - It’d have to be fuel FLOW related
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Old 11th Mar 2018, 01:41
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Hmmm from memory and being a long time since I had anything to do with a conquest, they had a jet pump setup yeah? If you didn’t have the boost pumps on there’d be a certain amount of unusable fuel in the tank.

Probably around an hour of endurance?

Smoking gun?
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Old 11th Mar 2018, 21:02
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Was it possible that "someone" was "experimenting" with the fuel system? As in "watch this".
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Old 11th Mar 2018, 22:35
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Just when you thought you'd heard everything....
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Old 12th Mar 2018, 02:33
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Originally Posted by Capt Fathom
Just when you thought you'd heard everything....
oh no, I know someone who crashed a plane because he was fooling around with fuel switches trying to scare his passenger!
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Old 13th Mar 2018, 01:30
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My point is that if this was as tight on fuel as has been suggested, and this was a fuel exhaustion event( thank you for the correction btw) , then it would have to be asked why didn’t the crew refuel? Is there something more at the organisational level that needs to be looked at, instead of simply blaming the PIC? Which I never do btw.
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Old 13th Mar 2018, 02:12
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Originally Posted by Capt Fathom
Just when you thought you'd heard everything....
"If you pull the N1 Tach, will the autothrottle respond?"

The National Airlines 27... crew got curious so started pulling breakers to see what would happen. And ended up killing a passenger in the process.

It happens.
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Originally Posted by Vref+5
My point is that if this was as tight on fuel as has been suggested, and this was a fuel exhaustion event( thank you for the correction btw) , then it would have to be asked why didn’t the crew refuel? Is there something more at the organisational level that needs to be looked at, instead of simply blaming the PIC? Which I never do btw.
Ironically, Vref, if it turns out to be boost pumps and finger trouble, it will be starvation rather than exhaustion!
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Old 13th Mar 2018, 05:20
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What’s the capacity of the fuel hopper in the conquest? I can’t seem to recall it. Fuel flow was roughly 400-500 pounds per hour correct?
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Old 13th Mar 2018, 05:28
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The National Airlines 27... crew got curious so started pulling breakers to see what would happen. And ended up killing a passenger in the process.
It was never established that the crew's actions led to the engine failure, KRviator. It was most likely a coincidence.
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Old 13th Mar 2018, 06:40
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It was most likely a coincidence
The crew pulled the CB's thirty six seconds prior to the failure, I think it a little much to write it off as a coincidence, though the report in its conclusions does say the reasons for the acceleration could not be determined conclusively. What the report does say regarding the triggering of the event.
In summary, the catastrophic failure of the No. 3 engine must have been precipitated by a blade tip rub condition which produced the blade exiting sequence. The two most prominent theories as to the initiating mechanism of the blade tip rub, as based on the evidence available, are:

(1) An acceleration of the engine to an abnormally high N1 speed, either by an unrestricted throttle advance by the autothrottle system or a manual throttle advance by the pilot, which created a resonant frequency and subsequent destructive vibratory mode.

(2) A piece of inner acoustic panel from the inlet duct separated from its honeycomb bonding and restricted airflow into the engine resulting in a very rapid fan acceleration and a destructive vibratory mode.
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Old 14th Mar 2018, 03:33
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Nothing yet? This bunch can sure keep a secret!
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Old 15th Mar 2018, 05:20
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Why do posters here seem to think the company should publish anything? With insurance companies, lawyers, ATSB and CASA likely involved, I would keep quiet as well.
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Old 15th Mar 2018, 06:30
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I thought after their brasilia incident their fuel policy would have been Murphy proof!!
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