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Old 2nd Jan 2018, 07:31
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Taken at Rose Bay in 2004 when Seaplane Safaris were owner/operator.

One day at Cottage Point on the pontoon there, the R/H pilot door came off its hinge pegs and fell into the murky waters of Cowan Creek. Scuba diver recovered same the next day. (Not a case of a hinge failing in any sense, but anyone who knows Beavers knows that the small front doors swing on two sturdy 5 mm steel pegs. Each of those pegs have small holes drilled in the top ends, each to take a securing pin. That day VH-NOO lacked those barely noticeable pins.)

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Old 2nd Jan 2018, 07:40
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Sydney Seaplane crash: Six dead on New Year?s Eve flight

Anyone know if there's any truth to this? Or is this someone trying to get their couple of dollars and few minutes in the limelight on the back of a tragedy?
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Old 2nd Jan 2018, 12:25
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Originally Posted by Desert Flower View Post
It was a dinner cruise - they wouldn't have had luggage.

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Possibly even less luggage as it was their lunch cruise?
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Old 2nd Jan 2018, 12:50
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Originally Posted by Ixixly View Post
Sydney Seaplane crash: Six dead on New Year?s Eve flight

Anyone know if there's any truth to this? Or is this someone trying to get their couple of dollars and few minutes in the limelight on the back of a tragedy?
I'd call bullsh*t to that, Ixixly!

As a sometimes regular boatie out of Kurin-gai Motor Yacht Club at Cottage Point, I've had the pleasure of the Beavers and Caravans landing and taking off over the boat that I sometimes drive. There has never been any suggestion that Sydney Seaplanes are an unsafe operator. I've never observed any high rate turns at low speeds by their Beaver pilots. It would be unnecessary on Cowan Creek anyway, taking off to the North.
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Old 2nd Jan 2018, 15:06
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Anything on news.com.au is suspect straight away, wouldn’t you think?
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Old 2nd Jan 2018, 19:12
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Originally Posted by Ixixly View Post
Sydney Seaplane crash: Six dead on New Year?s Eve flight

Anyone know if there's any truth to this? Or is this someone trying to get their couple of dollars and few minutes in the limelight on the back of a tragedy?
"Adrian Wakelin claims the plane’s propellers suddenly stopped and the aircraft plunged towards the ocean during his tourist trip last February with wife Louise."
Contra-rotating?
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Old 2nd Jan 2018, 20:50
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Originally Posted by nevillestyke View Post
"Adrian Wakelin claims the plane’s propellers suddenly stopped and the aircraft plunged towards the ocean during his tourist trip last February with wife Louise."
Contra-rotating?
Obviously this dude got a trifle mixed up when he said propellers (plural) when it was a single engine aircraft!

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Old 2nd Jan 2018, 20:50
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Is the one parked at Palm beach the same operator? (Grey in colour from memory)
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Old 2nd Jan 2018, 21:08
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No.

http://sydneybyseaplane.com/about-us/

You could eat food off the floor of Steve Krug's magnificent Beaver.

Obviously this dude got a trifle mixed up when he said propellers (plural) when it was a single engine aircraft!
Pretty sure he used the term 'propellers' to describe multiple blades, not engines.

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Old 2nd Jan 2018, 21:36
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Originally Posted by V-Jet View Post
Pretty sure he used the term 'propellers' to describe multiple blades, not engines.
Possibly that's what he meant - still not correct though.

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Old 2nd Jan 2018, 22:53
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"Another GA pilot error crash caused by a stall. Maybe the aircraft had technical issues but it looks like the airspeed dropped and the AOA increased."

How can you possibly know that?
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Old 2nd Jan 2018, 23:12
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This link might be of interest.
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Old 2nd Jan 2018, 23:21
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Rescue attempt

A very big Well Done!! to the fishermen who tried to rescue the passengers during the brief time that plane remained floating, and also attaching a line to the tail.

Men tried to save British family from Sydney plane crash | Daily Mail Online

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Old 2nd Jan 2018, 23:40
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I believe it is absolutely scurrilous that anyone can “know” what caused this accident, and then post this “knowledge “as “fact” on a public forum!
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Old 2nd Jan 2018, 23:44
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Originally Posted by A320ECAM View Post
This is so sad.

Another GA pilot error crash caused by a stall. Maybe the aircraft had technical issues but it looks like the airspeed dropped and the AOA increased.
While your at it what happened to MH370? Who needs investigations when you have all the answers!
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Old 3rd Jan 2018, 00:13
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Originally Posted by wheels_down View Post
While you're at it - what happened to MH370? Who needs investigations when you have all the answers!

Look . .. . . there will always be these ignoramuses giving us the tom-tits. Nothing to do about it, except either ignore OR come back caustically as has just been done.

Maybe this site should add another rule. A post that speculates wildly about any recent incident/ accident/ fatality may be deleted summarily by the moderator.


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The ludicrous and presumptive post by A320ECAM has been removed as it contributes nothing to this thread and in fact, detracts from the veracity of more professional contributions.

However, there are a number of other "armchair expert" posts in this thread that lack credibility. Whilst a low level stall remains a possibility, there are a myriad of other possible causes or contributory factors ranging from pilot incapacitation to engine failure. (Didn't one observer speak of a loud engine noise or bang prior to impact?)

No doubt this thread is being watched by the media and possibly by the operating company and friends and family of the pilot and passengers. Give some consideration to those now desperate for answers.

Please stick to known facts, rather than wild speculation, until factual information is released.

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Old 3rd Jan 2018, 02:27
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Originally Posted by StickWithTheTruth View Post
I'd sure as hell never pax with you Sunfish!

Are you saying you would not turn more than 30 degrees to right or left in an EFATO scenario? Scary. Where do you draw the line? 70 degrees is nothing from 400ft and sure as hell nowhere near 180.
Not sure when you were taught but I've had the "impossible turn" mantra drilled into me since 1971. AOPA is still talking about it relatively recently.

Knowing your particular aircraft's typical height loss per 90 degrees of turn angle is critical to understanding how much manoeuvring you can do with the height and speed you have left after an engine failure in the critical phase. The wind direction and velocity can also have a huge part to play especially if the terrain is not level.

The 30 degrees either side of the centreline is (or was) a maxim taught to new PPL trainees to keep them from trying anything overly ambitious while they were still inexperienced. At training airfields where the "land straight ahead" rule simply wasn't an option, I've seen special manoeuvres taught pre-first solo. At RAF Kenley, which was then Britain's smallest gliding airfield, I was shown by an instructor how to do a 90 degree turn in a glider after a simulated cable break at 50 feet where I could hear the wingtip clipping the long grass. Too close for my liking but the instructor and I inspected the wingtip and wiped the chlorophyll off with a rag...
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Old 3rd Jan 2018, 04:09
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Both this prang (if not a mechanical failure) and HTS both involved pissing about at low level over and around terrain
Another GA pilot error crash caused by a stall
I dont think I have ever read 2 more arrogant posts on PPRuNe (please someone correct my spelling). Gareth had over 9000 hours on floats. You dont get to 9000 hours on floats by "pissing about". Heres an idea, until more is known about the incident how about everyone keep their opinions to themselves. Yeah we all know what it looks like if you listen to the eyewitness accounts but none of us were sitting next to the pilot at the time so nobody here is qualified to comment on what caused the accident or accuse the pilot of "pissing about".

1. The run out of cottage point in a light northerly does not involve any high risk steep turns.
2. One has to try pretty hard to mishandle a beaver with climb power and climb flap to the point where it falls out of the sky.

That particular operation and the pilots working there are nothing but absolute professionals. They are a great bunch of lads and no doubt that they are all hurting right now after the loss of a colleague.

This is supposed to be a Professional Pilots Rumour Network not a place to go and tell the ATSB how they should be doing their job or attack a fellow pilot that can no longer defend himself.
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Old 3rd Jan 2018, 05:04
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viking air have one (a Beaver stall warning).
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Old 3rd Jan 2018, 05:12
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