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Renewable resources are growing all the time in spite of government stupidity. Just today the owners of Liddell power station told the PM to go forth and multiply. They're going to close it down as planned and replace it with renewable power. Unlike the PM they have skin in the game and wouldn't chose renewables if they weren't the best way forward
However regards AGL and Liddell, they haven't chosen renewables because its the best way forward (from an emmissions point of view). AGL have concluded that there's more money to be made out of the subsidies attached to the RET bull****, than there is in keeping the plant open. It's as simple as that. Anything else they have said/will say, is bull****.
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Interesting article on p6 of The Australian, Thursday 14/12.
This is one for all you "The End of Coal is Nigh" enthusiasts, who are quite happy to see Australia de-industrialised.
The report is from a group called Bank Track, which includes Friends of the Earth, Rain Forrest Action Network and others.
I quote: " ---- said that claims that coal was dead are wrong. It was still "far from down and out".
It detailed some $630Billion+ in a financing boom, with P.R China banks in the lead, US group Black Rock also being prominent.
It reported some 1600 new coal fired power generators, which sound like "in the ballpark" to me, as we know there are at least 299 in P.R. China alone.
The planned increase in capacity over present coal is put at 43%, given coal's present predominance, add 43%, that means coal is going to remain a big, even dominant, player in electricity generation for a long time yet.
Interestingly, Adani or the Adani Australia mine didn't rate a mention, probably because, in the big scheme of things, it is too small to register, at bit like Australia's contribution to global warming, too small to register, despite the carnage being caused by our "virtue signalling" energy cost/reliability disaster.
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Interesting article on p6 of The Australian, Thursday 14/12.
This is one for all you "The End of Coal is Nigh" enthusiasts, who are quite happy to see Australia de-industrialised.
The report is from a group called Bank Track, which includes Friends of the Earth, Rain Forrest Action Network and others.
I quote: " ---- said that claims that coal was dead are wrong. It was still "far from down and out".
It detailed some $630Billion+ in a financing boom, with P.R China banks in the lead, US group Black Rock also being prominent.
It reported some 1600 new coal fired power generators, which sound like "in the ballpark" to me, as we know there are at least 299 in P.R. China alone.
The planned increase in capacity over present coal is put at 43%, given coal's present predominance, add 43%, that means coal is going to remain a big, even dominant, player in electricity generation for a long time yet.
Interestingly, Adani or the Adani Australia mine didn't rate a mention, probably because, in the big scheme of things, it is too small to register, at bit like Australia's contribution to global warming, too small to register, despite the carnage being caused by our "virtue signalling" energy cost/reliability disaster.
Tootle pip!!
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Leadie old mate it's a bit hard to accept the accuracy of the rest of your post when you can't even get the day or date correct.
I probably got the date one day wrong because I looked at the date on my laptop, and it had gone midnight ---- and nothing to do with the substance of the post, which a self-delusionistas would not accept any which way.
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Leadie says:-
You would not consider the Chinese to be particularly delusional yet they are continuing to scale back plans for new coal fired power. Our company has been going to China 2 to 3 times per year for the last 10 years so we are not as ill informed about conditions there as you like to intimate.
If anyone is delusional it would have to be banks, Chinese or otherwise, that choose to support coal. You may have noted Chinese banks initially interested in Adani have now withdrawn their support.
https://www.theguardian.com/environm...gy-china-india
and nothing to do with the substance of the post, which a self-delusionistas would not accept any which way.
If anyone is delusional it would have to be banks, Chinese or otherwise, that choose to support coal. You may have noted Chinese banks initially interested in Adani have now withdrawn their support.
https://www.theguardian.com/environm...gy-china-india
---- continuing to scale back plans for new coal fired power.
299 new coal fired power stations on the book's, a major increase in coal generated power, 40%+ --- just as well China are not embracing coal??
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Is it 299 actually being built or is it 299 on the books and might be built but if the current trend continues won't be built.
Currently China has an over supply of electricity an has a lot of power stations running at reduced power or mothballed.
If Australia would only wake up and develop Ammonia as a universal energy storage medium it could lead the world in clean energy development just like the CSIRO leads the world in radio telescope technology. (They just supplied the guts of the largest one in the world built in China.)
While we have the current crop of coal worshiping politicians we aint going anywhere.
Currently China has an over supply of electricity an has a lot of power stations running at reduced power or mothballed.
If Australia would only wake up and develop Ammonia as a universal energy storage medium it could lead the world in clean energy development just like the CSIRO leads the world in radio telescope technology. (They just supplied the guts of the largest one in the world built in China.)
While we have the current crop of coal worshiping politicians we aint going anywhere.
develop Ammonia as a universal energy storage medium
At least Snowy 2.0 is heading in the right direction.
I am all for PV/Wind but we need to be realistic and build storage at the same time as we build the PV/Wind generation.
Each PV/Wind generation and storage system needs to have sufficient generation and storage capacity to supply its rated output for at least 3 days if it is going to replace coal.
You don't replace a base load station which can operate 24/7 with an intermittent source the output of which is at the whim of the weather.
In the meantime we still need base load coal as does the rest of the world. Even the poster boy Germany. And it burns the worst possible form of fossil fuel to backup its renewables.
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Like you 601 I was initially very enthusiastic about pumped hydro to the extent I took, at my expense, a reporter and photographer from our local paper for a 90 minute flight and showed them a large number of suitable sites. They actually published a pretty reasonable article with photos.
Not long after I conducted that flight I happened to see an article announcing a CSIRO breakthrough where they developed a way to separating hydrogen and nitrogen cheaply and easily from ammonia. Initially my reaction was the same as for most people - 'So what!'
I decided to do more reading on the subject and came to realize the breakthrough could be the answer to universal clean energy.
Pumped hydro only partially solves the clean energy problem because it only makes electricity on site and although there are a lot of suitable sites, many places in Australia are too flat. Another problem in our area is evaporation - about 1 metre per year. Initial infrastructure is very expensive especially where both a new upper and lower dam has to be built. The two biggest problems are that electricity is only about 30% of the energy market and you can't ship electricity overseas.
Ammonia is cheap and easy to store. It can be made and stored wherever there is a good source of renewable energy. It has no losses while you wait to use it. It is easy and safe to transport by tankers or pipeline. It is a well understood mature industry with some 200 million tons being manufactured and distributed annually. It can be made using only clean energy. Hydrogen thanks to the CSIRO is easy to extract .This would occur near to where it was to be used. Hydrogen could provide 100% clean energy for all energy sectors.
Storing surplus energy from intermittent power sources such as wind and solar would stabilize the grid and solve the problem of providing power when sun and wind are absent.
Exporting Ammonia could fill the dollar income gap left when coal exports cease.In effect we would be selling our sun and wind.
Is all this easy to do? No. Are all the problems fully solved? No. However it is the way to go to give us 100% clean energy.
Never again should we accept half arsed solutions to problems such as we are now witnessing with the NBN and their dumb copper from the node leaving us with a second rate system.
Why do we need to develop new technology when we have 22000 identified sites for pumped hydro.
Not long after I conducted that flight I happened to see an article announcing a CSIRO breakthrough where they developed a way to separating hydrogen and nitrogen cheaply and easily from ammonia. Initially my reaction was the same as for most people - 'So what!'
I decided to do more reading on the subject and came to realize the breakthrough could be the answer to universal clean energy.
Pumped hydro only partially solves the clean energy problem because it only makes electricity on site and although there are a lot of suitable sites, many places in Australia are too flat. Another problem in our area is evaporation - about 1 metre per year. Initial infrastructure is very expensive especially where both a new upper and lower dam has to be built. The two biggest problems are that electricity is only about 30% of the energy market and you can't ship electricity overseas.
Ammonia is cheap and easy to store. It can be made and stored wherever there is a good source of renewable energy. It has no losses while you wait to use it. It is easy and safe to transport by tankers or pipeline. It is a well understood mature industry with some 200 million tons being manufactured and distributed annually. It can be made using only clean energy. Hydrogen thanks to the CSIRO is easy to extract .This would occur near to where it was to be used. Hydrogen could provide 100% clean energy for all energy sectors.
Storing surplus energy from intermittent power sources such as wind and solar would stabilize the grid and solve the problem of providing power when sun and wind are absent.
Exporting Ammonia could fill the dollar income gap left when coal exports cease.In effect we would be selling our sun and wind.
Is all this easy to do? No. Are all the problems fully solved? No. However it is the way to go to give us 100% clean energy.
Never again should we accept half arsed solutions to problems such as we are now witnessing with the NBN and their dumb copper from the node leaving us with a second rate system.
Is it 299 actually being built or is it 299 on the books and might be built but if the current trend continues won't be built.
Currently China has an over supply of electricity an has a lot of power stations running at reduced power or mothballed.
Currently China has an over supply of electricity an has a lot of power stations running at reduced power or mothballed.
That is the minimum number that will be built, along with substantial new nuclear, solar and wind, with some conventional hydro.
+43% expansion is the net of new coal power after closure of old coal fired.
R.P.China does NOT have an over supply, what they maintain, and will continue to maintain, is a substantial buffer of current and future availability of based load power, versus demand, so that they will never be within cooee of the unbelievably stupid situation, in which Australia has placed itself.
Sad thing is, what is now China's basic planning policy is what we had in the 1950's/60s. after years of power shortages --- a policy of plenty of cheap power to encourage industry.
You see, I can still remember all the regular blackouts of the 1940s/early 1950s in NSW.
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Rutan Around...NH3..good idea but not very efficient, is it?
If you haven't already done so the sites in the side bar under the heading 'Global Ammonia Energy Energy News' are interesting.
NH3 scores 100% for it's zero harmful emissions and is already on a par with round trip efficiency in some applications. With so much effort being applied I'm sure even greater efficiencies will soon be available.
