Albany WA crash 24/10/17
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Albany WA crash 24/10/17
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Light plane crash reported in Western Australia's South West - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
Light plane crash reported in Western Australia's South West - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
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Was it purely structural failure or was it a combination of factors?
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And in today's The Australian's joke of an Aviation section; an article entitled "Ice blamed for fatal plunge"- rather ambiguous, lazy reporting or was Ms Ironside being clever?
The first paragraph is a gem of misleading, innacurate and sensationalist reporting:
"A pilot was who was high on ice flew his light plane in such a way that the right wing broke off, resulting in the aircraft plunging to the ground..."
Now the report, while noting the presence of methyl amphetamine in the pilot's blood, does not state, or even imply, that the pilot was "high on ice" . While they go to great length examining the possible reasons for the inflight break-up, they report this as undetermined. It does not state the break-up was a result of pilot input.
I commented on this (I subscribe to The Australian online) but my input was rejected. Possibly they didn't like my opening line asking Ms Ironside if she was a graduate of the Byron Bailey School of Accident Reporting?
Very sloppy reporting, I think.
The first paragraph is a gem of misleading, innacurate and sensationalist reporting:
"A pilot was who was high on ice flew his light plane in such a way that the right wing broke off, resulting in the aircraft plunging to the ground..."
Now the report, while noting the presence of methyl amphetamine in the pilot's blood, does not state, or even imply, that the pilot was "high on ice" . While they go to great length examining the possible reasons for the inflight break-up, they report this as undetermined. It does not state the break-up was a result of pilot input.
I commented on this (I subscribe to The Australian online) but my input was rejected. Possibly they didn't like my opening line asking Ms Ironside if she was a graduate of the Byron Bailey School of Accident Reporting?
Very sloppy reporting, I think.
› . There was no apparent reason for the pilot to operate outside of the limitations.It is possible that the pilot of VH-DBU encountered a large bird in the vicinity of the accident and acted instinctively to avoid a collision with excessive control inputs.
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And in today's The Australian's joke of an Aviation section; an article entitled "Ice blamed for fatal plunge"- rather ambiguous, lazy reporting or was Ms Ironside being clever?
The first paragraph is a gem of misleading, innacurate and sensationalist reporting:
"A pilot was who was high on ice flew his light plane in such a way that the right wing broke off, resulting in the aircraft plunging to the ground..."
Now the report, while noting the presence of methyl amphetamine in the pilot's blood, does not state, or even imply, that the pilot was "high on ice" . While they go to great length examining the possible reasons for the inflight break-up, they report this as undetermined. It does not state the break-up was a result of pilot input.
I commented on this (I subscribe to The Australian online) but my input was rejected. Possibly they didn't like my opening line asking Ms Ironside if she was a graduate of the Byron Bailey School of Accident Reporting?
Very sloppy reporting, I think.
The first paragraph is a gem of misleading, innacurate and sensationalist reporting:
"A pilot was who was high on ice flew his light plane in such a way that the right wing broke off, resulting in the aircraft plunging to the ground..."
Now the report, while noting the presence of methyl amphetamine in the pilot's blood, does not state, or even imply, that the pilot was "high on ice" . While they go to great length examining the possible reasons for the inflight break-up, they report this as undetermined. It does not state the break-up was a result of pilot input.
I commented on this (I subscribe to The Australian online) but my input was rejected. Possibly they didn't like my opening line asking Ms Ironside if she was a graduate of the Byron Bailey School of Accident Reporting?
Very sloppy reporting, I think.
The toxicology results indicated a significant concentration of methylamphetamine and amphetamine in a liver sample showing an advanced state of decomposition.
There is no place in aviation, or society for that matter, for pilots using ice or other illegal substances, regardless of what caused the crash.
Yes I did, thank you SQ7700.
So how do you get, and presumably concur with Ms Ironside's writings, that the pilot was so high on ice that he ripped the wings off?? I'm not for one second condoning his (or anyone else's) drug taking, but if you were a member of his family wouldn't you find that article just a little offensive, as well as being unsupported by what the report states?
Let's be clear here, I have little doubt that the presence of Ice in the pilot's blood could well have been a factor in this accident; my objection is in the way it was reported. All she had to do was insert the adverb "possibly" , or at a stretch even "probably", into her report and there could have been no objection. As it stands, it was crass journalism.
The ATSB found that the presence of methylamphetamine in the pilot’s system increased the risk of operational misjudgements and aircraft mishandling, and pilot incapacitation. This did not necessarily contribute to the accident.
Let's be clear here, I have little doubt that the presence of Ice in the pilot's blood could well have been a factor in this accident; my objection is in the way it was reported. All she had to do was insert the adverb "possibly" , or at a stretch even "probably", into her report and there could have been no objection. As it stands, it was crass journalism.
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I’m with Squawk. If we apply the Reason model of accident causation, then the presence of Ice is one of the
‘holes” in the cheese that lined up that day.
.....And since it is an illegal drug with known ill effects, that the pilot chose to consume of his own free will, then it is the cause.
We see meth users on freeways occasionally, they are the ones travelling 30-40kmh faster than everyone else..until they crash.
‘holes” in the cheese that lined up that day.
.....And since it is an illegal drug with known ill effects, that the pilot chose to consume of his own free will, then it is the cause.
We see meth users on freeways occasionally, they are the ones travelling 30-40kmh faster than everyone else..until they crash.
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Victorian data reveals approximately 18% of drivers and motorcyclists killed on the state’s roads tested positive to THC, the active component of cannabis. In the past 5 years, 11% of drivers killed, ...had ecstasy, speed, or crystal methamphetamine (‘ice’) in their system: ADF 2017.
https://adf.org.au/insights/drugs-and-driving
https://adf.org.au/insights/drugs-and-driving
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And since it is an illegal drug with known ill effects, that the pilot chose to consume of his own free will, then it is the cause.
We see meth users on freeways occasionally, they are the ones travelling 30-40kmh faster than everyone else..until they crash
We see meth users on freeways occasionally, they are the ones travelling 30-40kmh faster than everyone else..until they crash
In the past 5 years, 11% of drivers killed, ...had ecstasy, speed, or crystal methamphetamine (‘ice’) in their system: ADF 2017.
Problem would be rapidly 'solvered!'
Only problem with that 'solution' is just how many innocent lives would be lost along with the Darwin candidates.
There are times when I, somewhat cynically I admit, tend to agree with a view held by a former Mayor of Port Lincoln South Australia who many times stated that all those illegal drugs should be made freely available to those who wish to consume them......'at ten times the lethal dose!'
Problem would be rapidly 'solvered!'
Only problem with that 'solution' is just how many innocent lives would be lost along with the Darwin candidates.
Problem would be rapidly 'solvered!'
Only problem with that 'solution' is just how many innocent lives would be lost along with the Darwin candidates.
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/...07-p50kyt.html
Ice is a different matter, a more dangerous matter, but each substance should be considered individually. Obviously it should be illegal to be under the influence of a substance prior to operating, but to say every illegal drug user deserves to overdose at ten times the lethal limit is nonsense. It's illegal to be under the influence of alcohol before operating but there's no calls for fatal alcohol poisoning for alcoholics is there?
If there are substance addiction issues treat them as a health matter not a criminal one. That just drives it underground and makes it harder to treat.
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