Light aircraft crash, Clyde North Victoria
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commercial pressures by company or a per hr instructor to fly!
The crash came amid thick fog which blanketed much of Melbourne on Thursday morning.
Maybe a coffee to clear the air was a better option - does that make "cents" or must I say it!
The crash came amid thick fog which blanketed much of Melbourne on Thursday morning.
Maybe a coffee to clear the air was a better option - does that make "cents" or must I say it!
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Apart from the hidden insinuation that Moorabbin would have a allowed a VFR departure if fog had been an issue.
Is there any value in this type of post? Or just potential harm to family and friends of those involved? If you look at Webtrak for the date and time of the accident there were a lot of planes flying from Moorabbin. Most, if not all, of these were VFR. According to others in the area it wasn't foggy in the training area.
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Looks like engine failure and ran out of luck on the landing. There's plenty of available paddocks out that way for a forced landing but you never really know what you're going to get until you get close to the ground. Not sure what height they were when they lost power but what looks like a good landing area at 2500' may turn out to be not that great when you get down close to the ground. You can be lucky or you can be unlucky. Also, if there was in fact smoke coming from the engine prior to impact as has been reported, this can make things tricky with impeded visibility.
I've not flown this type of aircraft and know very little about them. Could it be that it is not quite as 'robust' as your everyday VH registered Cessna/Piper..? They look pretty sleek and modern, but how 'crashworthy' are they..? (If there's such a thing).
I've not flown this type of aircraft and know very little about them. Could it be that it is not quite as 'robust' as your everyday VH registered Cessna/Piper..? They look pretty sleek and modern, but how 'crashworthy' are they..? (If there's such a thing).
Swings and roundabouts to some extent; yes they are less robust, but they stall in the mid 30kts range in landing configuration and with a MAUW of 600kg vs 1,000? odd, there is substantially less energy to get rid of in a sudden stop scenario.
If the Bristell is anything like the Evector Sportstar I have flown then the stall would most probably appear to be relatively benign. The Sportstar looks roughly similar to a Bristell.
When I was endorsed on the Sportstar my (grade 3) young instructor said "watch this" and proceeded to a power off stall. The aircraft stalled with no warning and then just mushed straight and level with aileron authority and set up a very high rate of descent indeed. We recovered by adding power. We dropped about 500 feet mushing before power was added.
I never tried a power off stall and a power off stall recovery from a mushing descent.
I have never flown the Bristell and I don't know what happened, but I am innately suspicious of claims that certain aircraft have no vices or benign handling characteristics. The accident aircraft looks to have contacted the ground flat, at a high rate of descent and with very little forward speed. This made me think of my experience stalling a Sportstar.
When I was endorsed on the Sportstar my (grade 3) young instructor said "watch this" and proceeded to a power off stall. The aircraft stalled with no warning and then just mushed straight and level with aileron authority and set up a very high rate of descent indeed. We recovered by adding power. We dropped about 500 feet mushing before power was added.
I never tried a power off stall and a power off stall recovery from a mushing descent.
I have never flown the Bristell and I don't know what happened, but I am innately suspicious of claims that certain aircraft have no vices or benign handling characteristics. The accident aircraft looks to have contacted the ground flat, at a high rate of descent and with very little forward speed. This made me think of my experience stalling a Sportstar.
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I would be waiting for the report on this one. I suspect there is more to it..
- first hand knowledge and still feeling the pain from it.
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- first hand knowledge and still feeling the pain from it.
As per their Facebook page. ---------
We would like to emphasise that safety is our number one priority and mandatory checks have been implemented to ensure that we comply with the highest operational standard.
Details of items that are high on our agenda are listed in our blog - https://www.learntofly.edu.au/blog/safety-at-learn-to-fly
