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US Aircraft Carrier & Light Aircraft in Australian Waters

Old 22nd Jul 2017, 14:12
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US Aircraft Carrier & Light Aircraft in Australian Waters

There is a US Aircraft Carrier due in BNE port tomorrow.


They have Notamed a no fly zone over the BNE River where it will be berthed.


I'm trying to find out how close Light aircraft are able to fly to them in Australian waters, while it sails in via Morton Bay.


The best I found out is 1nm (from an unofficial source). But I would think that is too close.


Anyone point me to any regs, etc on the subject.


The Notam only restricts flying over an approximate 5nm stretch of the BNE River while its docked. (unless prior notice).


Id love to see it from the air. Although it may arrive at any time.
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Old 22nd Jul 2017, 14:33
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Old 23rd Jul 2017, 00:10
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Old 23rd Jul 2017, 01:04
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Originally Posted by Acrosport II View Post
There is a US Aircraft Carrier due in BNE port tomorrow.


They have Notamed a no fly zone over the BNE River where it will be berthed.


I'm trying to find out how close Light aircraft are able to fly to them in Australian waters, while it sails in via Morton Bay.


The best I found out is 1nm (from an unofficial source). But I would think that is too close.


Anyone point me to any regs, etc on the subject.


The Notam only restricts flying over an approximate 5nm stretch of the BNE River while its docked. (unless prior notice).


Id love to see it from the air. Although it may arrive at any time.
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Old 23rd Jul 2017, 01:26
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I remember 'back in the day' doing a Sydney Harbour Scenic flight that included orbits to the East of the Harbour Bridge. Those orbits happened to be over a US aircraft carrier with about a dozen F14s on the deck. All ops normal.
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Old 23rd Jul 2017, 03:58
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I would say that you could safely go within the legal allowed, that would be 500' (or 1000' if you call the carrier "populated").

I would also argue that what is supposedly the most advanced navy in the world would know who you were, where you had come from, what your likely intentions were and what was legally permissible in Australia, long before you arrived on upon the scene.

That said, I am not testing the theory!
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Old 23rd Jul 2017, 04:17
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Fly Neighbourly FN22 from ERSA. There's also a NOTAM that pops up occasionally regarding close proximity to Warships.
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Old 23rd Jul 2017, 06:47
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Remember that a Carrier is a mobile airport and it has a control tower.
They may occasionally be doing helicopter operations while in port.
If they do fly, they will coordinate with local ATC.
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Old 23rd Jul 2017, 09:30
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Originally Posted by 717tech View Post
Fly Neighbourly FN22 from ERSA. There's also a NOTAM that pops up occasionally regarding close proximity to Warships.

Spot on thanks 717tech.

Surprisingly it is worded as 'should' rather than 'Must not'.

Also thought they would state the limit in the Notam. The Notam only specified a Restricted Area of the BNE river requiring 1Hr PN before transiting, where it was berthed, not while sailing in.

Cheers.
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Old 23rd Jul 2017, 10:07
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Engage brain - the entire area is within Brisbane CTZ (SFC-3500), so you'll need a clearance. The question is really "will I be given a clearance over the boat below 1500'?" - no.
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Engage brain - the entire area is within Brisbane CTZ (SFC-3500), so you'll need a clearance. The question is really "will I be given a clearance over the boat below 1500'?" - no.
Yeah yeah, but it has to arrive at the CTA boundary before it is in CTA. Until then there is only NOTAMs
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Someone gave this reply to my question on FB:

"Pilots of civil aircraft
and helicopters should avoid warships by 5NM laterally
above 2000FT vertically wherever possible"

AIP Sup H107/17
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Old 23rd Jul 2017, 10:37
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Originally Posted by drpixie View Post
Engage brain - the entire area is within Brisbane CTZ (SFC-3500), so you'll need a clearance. The question is really "will I be given a clearance over the boat below 1500'?" - no.

Perhaps it would be prudent for you to 'Engage brain' before posting.

Especially as you did not have the answer.

Read the OP and get your charts out, study your charts, and then apologise for your arrogant reply.

Better yet, if you do not know the answer, or have any clue. Don't post.

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Your problem is shooting down a Russian fighter has potentially serious consequences for the US, like war. Shooting down an LSA with potentially terroristic tendencies just costs them an apology and money. Oops, sorry.
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