Light plane crash near Mt Gambier
Just goes to show the 'third world' standard of lots of aviation infrastructure in Australia (as well as the value of people such as yourself with local knowledge and nous).
For folks who operate at or to or from Mt Gambier: What refuelling infrastructure is actually installed there? What is/are the location/s of the CCTV cameras referred to in the preliminary report?
For folks who operate at or to or from Mt Gambier: What refuelling infrastructure is actually installed there? What is/are the location/s of the CCTV cameras referred to in the preliminary report?
Just goes to show the 'third world' standard of lots of aviation infrastructure in Australia
The reference to "a strong smell of fuel" as it was also made in the renmark crash, usually indicates that the impact was severe enough to rupture the fuel tanks and that fuel has since drained away. It's not intended to imply anything other than just that.
How could an AVGAS powered aircraft which had been refueled with AVTUR actually get off the ground ?
I mean, the AVGAS in the fuel-lines would be consumed within a minute or so of idle-power and then the AVGAS/AVTUR mix would make the engine run-up not 'normal'.
I mean, the AVGAS in the fuel-lines would be consumed within a minute or so of idle-power and then the AVGAS/AVTUR mix would make the engine run-up not 'normal'.
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Just goes to show the 'third world' standard of lots of aviation infrastructure in Australia (as well as the value of people such as yourself with local knowledge and nous).
For folks who operate at or to or from Mt Gambier: What refuelling infrastructure is actually installed there? What is/are the location/s of the CCTV cameras referred to in the preliminary report?
For folks who operate at or to or from Mt Gambier: What refuelling infrastructure is actually installed there? What is/are the location/s of the CCTV cameras referred to in the preliminary report?
http://www.airservicesaustralia.com/WeatherCam/
Had you been working in GA back when rural and remote aerodromes were valued and supported public infrastructure, you'd know the answer to both questions, Capn.
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What refuelling infrastructure is actually installed there?
How could an AVGAS powered aircraft which had been refuelled with AVTUR actually get off the ground ?
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Some Jet A1 nozzles had a flange on them which was supposed to prevent them from being inserted in an Avgas tank opening. But they were a pain in the proverbial, because there were some turbine aircraft tank openings that they didn't fit in properly which necessitated changing the nozzle to the normal one.
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It's always possible, GIII. Humans have an uncanny knack of getting around even 'inafallible' safety devices.
In this case it's in my 'highly unlikely' category until confirmed by ATSB. Info about the pilot's card swiped through the AVGAS bowser will do it, if witnesses aren't available.
In this case it's in my 'highly unlikely' category until confirmed by ATSB. Info about the pilot's card swiped through the AVGAS bowser will do it, if witnesses aren't available.
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As in? It wasn't breaking the rules, if that's what you mean. It either had to be changed or the fuel couldn't be delivered in that particular aircraft. Once fuelling was completed the nozzle was changed back to the flanged one.
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I think GIII may have been suggesting - he will correct me if I'm wrong - that the 'workaround' you (quite reasonably) had to implement resulted in a negation of the risk mitigation outcome which the special nozzle was intended to achieve. If you had to do it, others may have had to do it.
He has a carton of Cooper's Pale Ale on the line, and I'm guessing he's not planning on parting with it.
He has a carton of Cooper's Pale Ale on the line, and I'm guessing he's not planning on parting with it.
But they were a pain in the proverbial, because there were some turbine aircraft tank openings that they didn't fit in properly
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I can't remember offhand, but there were a few that had a flap under the cap which had to be pushed down to admit the nozzle. From memory the tank openings weren't as large as usual either. The flanged ones just wouldn't fit.
While we're on the topic of dedicated nozzles, it seems like there is no requirement to have them on self serve bowsers.
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While we're on the topic of dedicated nozzles, it seems like there is no requirement to have them on self serve bowsers.
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When you live....
I wouldn't think a mis-fuel would be possible at YMTG - Avgas is in the self serve and JetA1 in the tanker. If it had been wrong fuel in the supply system we'd probably know by now.
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