Light plane crash near Mt Gambier
Respectfully, I've said all I'll say on this. Cheers.
Farmer Joe flying his mate's rellos to the big smoke for a hospital visit is, of course, a complete red herring and irrelevant to the discussion here.
Who mentioned: "Farmer Joe flying his mate's rellos to the big smoke for a hospital visit?"
And why would that example be "a complete red herring" and "irrelevant" in a discussion about community service flights?
Farmer Joe may be an Angel Flight pilot. Farmer Joe may have accepted an Angel Flight mission to carry someone who is, coincidentally, a friend's relative.
Your example is not so unusual.
You're merely showing your prejudice.
And why would that example be "a complete red herring" and "irrelevant" in a discussion about community service flights?
Farmer Joe may be an Angel Flight pilot. Farmer Joe may have accepted an Angel Flight mission to carry someone who is, coincidentally, a friend's relative.
Your example is not so unusual.
You're merely showing your prejudice.
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I might also remind you that only a week or two earlier in nearby Renmark were there also 3 fatalities. Except that there were 2 highly qualified CPL's and a CASA examiner on board.[/QUOTE]
A timely reminder... the aeroplane cares not if you have a RPL, PPL, CPL or ATPL, if you ignore the laws of physics it will quite happily kill you.
The price of safety at any level of licence is the constant exercise of personal responsibility. It's just that sometimes we get our expectations confused with our capabilities and the outcome can be fatal.
I might also remind you that only a week or two earlier in nearby Renmark were there also 3 fatalities. Except that there were 2 highly qualified CPL's and a CASA examiner on board.[/QUOTE]
A timely reminder... the aeroplane cares not if you have a RPL, PPL, CPL or ATPL, if you ignore the laws of physics it will quite happily kill you.
The price of safety at any level of licence is the constant exercise of personal responsibility. It's just that sometimes we get our expectations confused with our capabilities and the outcome can be fatal.
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What is your opinion as to what the minimum experience requirements for community service flights should be, and against what criteria are you measuring adequacy?
It seems you are saying that there are pilots who have a licence that authorises them to carry passengers in private operations, but only their families and friends who - apparently - are competent to, and do, make an assessment of the pilots' professionalism. My long experience is that family and friends simply assume - reasonably - that the pilot knows what he or she is doing, if for no other reason than that most family and friends wouldn't have a clue how to judge otherwise.
It seems you are saying that there are pilots who have a licence that authorises them to carry passengers in private operations, but only their families and friends who - apparently - are competent to, and do, make an assessment of the pilots' professionalism. My long experience is that family and friends simply assume - reasonably - that the pilot knows what he or she is doing, if for no other reason than that most family and friends wouldn't have a clue how to judge otherwise.
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'flight safety seminars' organised by angel flight/pilot members for pilot members?
there won't be any quantifiable results, but if it makes a pilot take a second look at the weather for example, then it's worth it?
there won't be any quantifiable results, but if it makes a pilot take a second look at the weather for example, then it's worth it?
flight safety seminars' organised by angel flight/pilot members for pilot members?
If a pilot is safe for passengers, then he/she is safe for all passengers. If a pilot is not safe, then the CASA licencing / AFR system has failed.
Whereas the EMS industry has the framework and resources to not only teach their operators about the risk, they can (and have) internally regulated to take the decision making away from the crew regarding "do we go or not"
I'd be particularly interested in how the decision making being taken out of the pilots hands works in practise, as you allege takes place. Doesn't happen in this neck of the woods.
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at least a few aeroclubs i know of offer safety seminars,
just because it's the regulators job, doesn't mean organisations like aeroclub's and AF shouldn't do their bit
I was merely offering a suggestion to counter other suggestions of increased regulation i.e. kneejerk reactions, or 'it happens'
just because it's the regulators job, doesn't mean organisations like aeroclub's and AF shouldn't do their bit
I was merely offering a suggestion to counter other suggestions of increased regulation i.e. kneejerk reactions, or 'it happens'
Reports out.
So are we going to keep defending his actions or admit reality now?
http://www.atsb.gov.au/publications/investigation_reports/2017/aair/ao-2017-069/
So are we going to keep defending his actions or admit reality now?
http://www.atsb.gov.au/publications/investigation_reports/2017/aair/ao-2017-069/
Reports out.
So are we going to keep defending his actions or admit reality now?
Investigation: AO-2017-069 - Collision with terrain involving SOCATA TB-10 Tobago, VH-YTM, near Mount Gambier Airport, South Australia, on 28 June 2017
So are we going to keep defending his actions or admit reality now?
Investigation: AO-2017-069 - Collision with terrain involving SOCATA TB-10 Tobago, VH-YTM, near Mount Gambier Airport, South Australia, on 28 June 2017
The investigation is continuing and will include examination of the following:
- recovered components and available electronic data
- aircraft maintenance documentation
- weather conditions
- pilot qualifications and experience
- coordination and planning of the charity flight
- the use of private flights for the transfer of passengers for non-emergency medical reasons
- similar occurrences.
Investigation: AO-2017-069 - Collision with terrain involving SOCATA TB-10 Tobago, VH-YTM, near Mount Gambier Airport, South Australia, on 28 June 2017
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Reports out.
So are we going to keep defending his actions or admit reality now?
Investigation: AO-2017-069 - Collision with terrain involving SOCATA TB-10 Tobago, VH-YTM, near Mount Gambier Airport, South Australia, on 28 June 2017
So are we going to keep defending his actions or admit reality now?
Investigation: AO-2017-069 - Collision with terrain involving SOCATA TB-10 Tobago, VH-YTM, near Mount Gambier Airport, South Australia, on 28 June 2017
DF.
Then you should be lobbying the ATSB to discontinue further investigation, as any further investigation would be a waste of the taxpayers' money.
"...Several components and documentation were removed from the accident site..."
http://www.atsb.gov.au/publications/...r/ao-2017-069/
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Dear oh dear. The track taken off Ozrunways tells the story. It is obvious that that he was trying to dodge very low cloud and was often boxed in by heavy rain showers. Were there any witnesses that can verify the state of the weather. Unfortunately during my instructing career I have had countless incidences where I have have had to persuade pilots to come into the office for a cuppa while to wait for the weather to clear. The youngish ones will usually accept the offer, but the older ones frequently are less than receptive and require more convincing that the weather is crap. I have used the red button on the bowser to prevent refueling in the past when one pilot was hellbent on taking off into Overcast at 100 feet. He eventually was persuaded that a hotel for the night was the best course of action.
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Agree with DF. God protect me from ever being as stupid as that pilot.
Simple logic is that if WX was so bad as to require the inbound track and machinations to land, then absent a dramatic improvement in conditions, takeoff under VFR would by definition be stupid.
Simple logic is that if WX was so bad as to require the inbound track and machinations to land, then absent a dramatic improvement in conditions, takeoff under VFR would by definition be stupid.