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Old 17th May 2017, 02:05
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Sonerai missing ex Murwillumbah

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Old 17th May 2017, 12:41
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Hope they find him okay. Wouldn't exactly call a Sonerai an ultralight though. Homebuilt yes.

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Old 18th May 2017, 01:57
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It's been found, unfortunately not with a good outcome for the pilot.

Cut from the NSW Police FB page.
A search for a pilot reported missing on the Far North Coast has concluded with the wreckage of an ultra light found a short time ago.
A searcher on horseback located the wreckage at 9am (Thursday 18 May 2017), on a private property on Boormans Road, Limpinwood, about 25km west of Murwillumbah.
The pilot – believed to be a 72-year-old man – died at the scene.
The Australian Maritime Safety Authority (AMSA) in Canberra has been co-ordinating the search after a member of the public reported an aircraft in difficulties near Limpinwood, about 10.45am Tuesday (16 May 2017).
Police from Tweed/Byron Local Area Command confirmed a 72-year-old man was piloting ultra light aircraft which had taken off from Murwillumbah Airport about 45 minutes earlier.
The search and rescue operations have been conducted in the surrounding area since then, involving up to eight helicopters, including the NSW Police airwing PolAir, police on trail bikes, as well as SES volunteers on foot and searchers on horseback.
An operation is now underway to retrieve the man’s body.
His family has been informed.
The Australian Transport Safety Bureau has been informed by AMSA and investigations will be conducted to determine the cause of the crash, with police working with the relevant air safety authorities.
AMSA and NSW Police wish to thank all those involved in this difficult search operation and extend our sympathies to the family and friends of the pilot.
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Anyone know if this is the guy of same name who was an Army pilot and CASA FOI?
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News stated he was a Vietnam Veteran and had been flying for 30 something years.
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Originally Posted by Blueyonda View Post
News stated he was a Vietnam Veteran and had been flying for 30 something years.
More like 50+ Years
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Well experienced in PNG too.
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RIP Ian

Went to school with him and joined the ADF at the same time....
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RIP Ian
Started learning to fly at DDAC.
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Hell that's probably less than 15nm up the valley from base - just a local jolly, but given the amount of tiger country lurking thereabouts, had a witness not given them a starting point they could quite easily have missed the wreck.

Makes you think, I may have to be a little more diligent about carrying my ipad and running ozrunways for every flight out of the circuit; I understand they can delve into your account and follow your tracks if requested by AMSA (and CASA no doubt....) At the very least that would cut down the time spent searching for the bits should I deck it somewhere.
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Makes you think, I may have to be a little more diligent about carrying my ipad and running ozrunways for every flight out of the circuit; I understand they can delve into your account and follow your tracks if requested by AMSA (and CASA no doubt....) At the very least that would cut down the time spent searching for the bits should I deck it somewhere.
Yes that is correct. Ian was an OzRunways user but he didn't take his iPad this time. We got a call from AMSA fairly soon and scoured our database but there wasn't a single track out of YMUR so unfortunately we couldn't help.

Yes please take your iPad, buy a sim card (preferably something that roams on the Telstra network), and turn on traffic. Again, we only give your tracking information to AMSA and ATSB for the purposes of flight safety. The two guys who crashed the chopper on the beach recently were flown past and somebody even landed a few hundred metres away, but nobody saw them. Once we gave them a precise lat/lon to search, they managed to find them in time. I've done a lot of SAR in the P3 before and I tell you what, people are tiny and VERY difficult to see, even when you know where they are.

ATSB also have a special power under Transport Safety Investigation Act 2003 - Sec 32 to request information such that it becomes protected. An example is the high resolution track log of the VH-CQA Swan River crash.
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Via Shagpile: Again, we only give your tracking information to...
...and the Chinese hackers monitoring your site. Who then on sell the information to.....





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SOL today Binghi ? - get over it whatever it was.
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Via On eyre: SOL today Binghi ? - get over it whatever it was.
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Have some doubts about them hackers abilities do ya On eyre..





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Not the time or place Binghi... Condolences to all involved.
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Hmmm... Oh well, back to me book about 'Product Placement'.....





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Hey Shags
would you know what the accuracy is regarding your ozrunways track data?
I notice in your example of the swan river accident that the picture is 'modified by the ATSB' I assume that is just the colour differences in the flight track.
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Old 22nd May 2017, 21:42
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...and the Chinese hackers monitoring your site. Who then on sell the information to......
What? Assist Avdata and councils who want to charge users who don't use their radio to avoid usage fees?
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You people make me sick. A fine gentleman is dead doing what he loved - committing aviation. Ian Sinnott was just that.

Please show some respect and this subject creep is disrespectful...
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The gent was a 161 Recce Flight veteran, an officer, and as such, deserves respect. He would have had excellent basic training, and he would have had substantial aviation experience.
He served in SVN at a nearly identical time to myself (as an Engineer), and I can tell you, 161 Recce blokes earnt their stripes.

The causes of the crash could be anything from complacency to sudden onset of a medical issue, or simply structural failure in a cheap kit aircraft, that is known to have design weaknesses, that needed modification.
It's entirely possible the aircraft structure could have been overstressed by a former owner - or the current owner (nearly always unintentionally).

It does nothing for thread posters reputations to post opinions that the pilot was a dill, and that he contributed to his own demise by a exhibiting a careless attitude, in numerous areas.
Everyone makes mistakes, some are due to lack of knowledge, some are due to complacency after many years of doing the same thing. Casualness regularly creeps in with recreational flights, and it must be guarded against.
No-one, apart from actual investigators at the scene, has any true idea of what could have caused the crash - and until an official report is formulated, speculation on what might have helped, and what didn't help, remains only that - pure speculation.

Ian Sinnott - military record

It's interesting to note that the local laddie who found the crash site, knew, via his good local knowledge, that only someone on horseback would find the wreckage, such was the nature of the terrain into which Ian crashed.

South Burnett Times - Local who rescued girl from beach in 2016, makes aircraft wreckage discovery
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