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Sorry - just had a few beers and wine but I get tired of hearing about how bad CASA is why they are the baddies but seriously - whinge as much as you want - talk is cheap, it has been going on for ages and nothing changes.
Their mandate is safety, not sustainability. That is what they were tasked to do, it is in their mission statement.
Given that, they do what they are tasked to do.
Sustainability of the industry is *not* what they are asked to support. Why do we expect them to somehow look for sustainability and growth? Why are we surprised that they don't?
What we need is not to whinge about them for doing what they were tasked to do, what we need to do is lobby the government to change their mandate!
We need a governing body whose mandate is explicitly to support aviation. Whinging about them doing their job might feel good but changes nothing. We need to change their job.
We need to have a body whose mandate is not just industry safety but also industry sustainability.
That will happen when we push that with politicians through industry bodies and through representations to our local members and senators.
A safe AND viable industry will be good for our economy. Change the CASA mission rather than ask why they work to uphold their mission rather than expect them to just decide to do what we want. They are doing their job. It is the job requested that is wrong.
Going to bed now... probably will regret posting tomorrow...
Their mandate is safety, not sustainability. That is what they were tasked to do, it is in their mission statement.
Given that, they do what they are tasked to do.
Sustainability of the industry is *not* what they are asked to support. Why do we expect them to somehow look for sustainability and growth? Why are we surprised that they don't?
What we need is not to whinge about them for doing what they were tasked to do, what we need to do is lobby the government to change their mandate!
We need a governing body whose mandate is explicitly to support aviation. Whinging about them doing their job might feel good but changes nothing. We need to change their job.
We need to have a body whose mandate is not just industry safety but also industry sustainability.
That will happen when we push that with politicians through industry bodies and through representations to our local members and senators.
A safe AND viable industry will be good for our economy. Change the CASA mission rather than ask why they work to uphold their mission rather than expect them to just decide to do what we want. They are doing their job. It is the job requested that is wrong.
Going to bed now... probably will regret posting tomorrow...
A giant taxpayer-(over)-funded organisation, dedicated in the first instance to itself, and a distant third to safety, will neither advance safety nor aviation.
CASA's principle aim - "safe jobs (for life) for all" (as well as its secondary aim - "well paid jobs for all") requires that it constantly make increasing amounts of work for itself.
There's no point in operational efficiency.
And by making sure of overpaid lifetime jobs at all levels of a self-sustaining bureaucracy, the ultimate imperative is making work ...
Therefore, if one rule makes you safe - a hundred rules are preferred (with commensurate administrative requirements).
And if jumping through one hoop keeps you on your toes, jumping through a hundred keeps CASA in clover.
As far as CSFCWA, I wouldn't be surprised if, in addition to the usual absurd level of interference, "oversight" and paperwork, CASA decided that it might try an toss in a shed-load of ambit requirements, conditions and charges to the potential money cow. Typical CASA, however, to kill the golden goose!
NB: In relation to the police analogy ... thankfully, I've never met a cop so much more petty-minded than a parking inspector, yet who not only personally creates the law, also enforces it, and keeps the revenue for himself! Even the caricature small-town, backwoods, "broken tail-light" sheriff is less vindictive and more honest than the CASA collective!
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Numbers, I really agree with some of your sentiments.
The old public service Ethos, take something that should be relatively straightforward, and complicate the crap out of it, because if it works
there's no need to fix it because of "Unintended" consequences. This is the old make work scam.
I sometimes wonder what the true cost of the implementation of Part 61 ended up being. It was McComics last hurrah rushed through at the last minute before he departed the scene, the last laugh of an angry man, and huge finger to the industry.
Then I wonder if it was really the old public service ethos, create a monster, then sit back for an endless fix it program keeping everyone gainfully, or should I say un-gainfully, employed attempting to slay the monster. Whole public service empires have been built on this little scam.
The cost of attempting to fix the unfixable part 61, will I have no doubt, vastly exceed the cost of the original implementation.
The old public service Ethos, take something that should be relatively straightforward, and complicate the crap out of it, because if it works
there's no need to fix it because of "Unintended" consequences. This is the old make work scam.
I sometimes wonder what the true cost of the implementation of Part 61 ended up being. It was McComics last hurrah rushed through at the last minute before he departed the scene, the last laugh of an angry man, and huge finger to the industry.
Then I wonder if it was really the old public service ethos, create a monster, then sit back for an endless fix it program keeping everyone gainfully, or should I say un-gainfully, employed attempting to slay the monster. Whole public service empires have been built on this little scam.
The cost of attempting to fix the unfixable part 61, will I have no doubt, vastly exceed the cost of the original implementation.
Look. I'm happy to be first in line to bash CASA when it's due, but if you don't even wish to be compliant even with basic things, and you continue to battle against the 'machine' then you will (eventually) get suspended or shut down. Take these current schools out of it, it's not that hard to please them. Attempt to do it by the book, admit when you've screwed up and show them how you're fixing it. Play the game and it's a lot easier.
Hide things, and battle the machine and you will be hard pressed to get anywhere and they will be on you.
I know for a fact that these guys DO NOT take shutting down a large operation lightly. They don't want to put people out of work, but they also have a role to play (some of it useless and some not) and some people are simply criminal and dangerous and should be out of the industry .
when there is a lot of negative talk around an operation, then I tend to thing there's substance to it - the good operators are never really on the radar and we , as pilots, all like to bitch and moan, so the goodns go quietly about their business.. But the sh1t joints get canned around the coffee machine mercilessly!
There's a lot of good guys and gals out of work right now, so good luck to em.
Probably a few nuff-nuff's as well- perhaps they need even more good wishes...
Hide things, and battle the machine and you will be hard pressed to get anywhere and they will be on you.
I know for a fact that these guys DO NOT take shutting down a large operation lightly. They don't want to put people out of work, but they also have a role to play (some of it useless and some not) and some people are simply criminal and dangerous and should be out of the industry .
when there is a lot of negative talk around an operation, then I tend to thing there's substance to it - the good operators are never really on the radar and we , as pilots, all like to bitch and moan, so the goodns go quietly about their business.. But the sh1t joints get canned around the coffee machine mercilessly!
There's a lot of good guys and gals out of work right now, so good luck to em.
Probably a few nuff-nuff's as well- perhaps they need even more good wishes...
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I used to work with them, and still have a few friends there.
They had initially put out a start date of 1st September, but a few more senior people have left (like the HAAMC), so they need to hire on more people, which will push back the restart date.
But, pretty sure once they do re-open they will be looking for more instructors. Many of their old ones have left.
They had initially put out a start date of 1st September, but a few more senior people have left (like the HAAMC), so they need to hire on more people, which will push back the restart date.
But, pretty sure once they do re-open they will be looking for more instructors. Many of their old ones have left.
I have seen no ads for key personnel. I can only assume that there issues are other ones. All the aircraft are still about albeit not flying and some staff cars in the car park so some personnel are still employed it would seem. Hopefully they can get it up and running again.
