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C172 Still In Production After 60 Years.

Old 23rd Mar 2017, 02:24
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Old 23rd Mar 2017, 02:51
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BPI - Please remind us (those of us who live outside the Utopia that is America), the numbers of people in America applying for those great job positions you have outlined?
As I gather, the aim of American capitalism is to make the workers fight for jobs, to keep wages at minimal levels, and to ensure there's a large pool of unemployed fighting over those relatively few jobs on offer.
And this system is designed purely to reward corporations, their already-wealthy shareholders, and their already-wealthy senior management, in many gluttonous ways, as evidenced by senior corporate salaries and perks.

Personally, I much prefer our Australian system, which I consider better balanced overall - despite the gluttony of corporations here as well.
But then again, as far back as the 1920's, many American leaders apparently viewed Australia as a socialist paradise with unions running the place.

Fortunately, we've had a few good American imports such as King O'Malley who recognised corporate greed from his American experiences, and who set about controlling excessive corporate greed - of the banking sector, in particular.
What is more unfortunate is that spineless politicians in recent years have undone much of O'Malleys good work.
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Old 23rd Mar 2017, 03:40
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Onetrack,
Just in case our American friends don't understand what you are saying I think we can sum up the US system thus:-

EVERY MAN FOR HIMSELF CRIED THE ELEPHANT AS HE DANCED AMONG THE CHICKENS.
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Old 23rd Mar 2017, 05:00
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Gee the socialism smells a bit whiffy today!

The one point the socialists seem to miss is that you can't make a buck without a willing customer. You really do have to provide a worthwhile good or service to be paid something, unlike socialism where you'll be asked to pay whether you want to or not...

But, I digress...
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Old 23rd Mar 2017, 06:00
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unlike socialism where you'll be asked to pay whether you want to or not...
So you are not a believer in a fair days pay for a fair days work?

All systems have to have some form of social justice otherwise we start a race to the bottom. A complete laissez faire system leads to complete anarchy.
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Old 23rd Mar 2017, 06:49
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I think I might just head off back to the Maule website...
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Old 23rd Mar 2017, 09:28
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I think I might just head off back to the Maule website...

Think I'll join you, tartare.

Tailwheel;This thread has lost the plot!
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Old 23rd Mar 2017, 09:29
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Damn, you turn your back for 5 minutes and look what happens.


Time to send in the Mighty Cessna!
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Old 23rd Mar 2017, 16:15
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Originally Posted by Jabawocky View Post
Very few people know why it was canned....Textron do not talk about it. A small number of us do.
Care to share, if you do indeed have some info the rest of us don't?
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Old 23rd Mar 2017, 20:23
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Originally Posted by rutan around View Post
Perhaps A Squared might explain to us unedumacated Aussies how the millions of unemployed, under employed and over employed but still not being paid a living wage might go about obtaining that insurance. Remind us of what your minimum wage is ......if your keyboard numbers go that low.
WHy are you so worried about what goes on in a country in which you don't live, and whose internal politics don't affect you? Australia and the US are 2 pretty different places with some pretty different outlooks on the relationship between the state and the individual. As a single example, I was surprised recently, to discover that in Australia, a private pilot may be compelled to submit to a random narcotics test.

The Australian position seemed to be approximately "well, yeah, how else are thye going to keep us safe?"

The US response is "ARE YOU EFFIN" KIDDING ME!!!!!?????? A Private citizen, conducting his own private, non-commercial, personal activities can be accosted by a government agent and in the absence of any probable cause, be compelled to prove that he hasn't broken the law,????? "

Now, it's not my intent to get into a discussion of personal liberties and the presumption of innocence, etc, etc. I'm just saying that Australians and Americans have pretty different philosophies on some things. It is not irrelevant that even within this thread we have an example of brothers who share DNA and upbringing, but came to opposite conclusions on which philosophy is better to live under. Point being that applying your view on how things "should be done" to somewhere else with a significantly different organizational philosophy, without really understanding the complexities of the issue may fall somewhat outside the topic of the price of a new 172.
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Old 23rd Mar 2017, 23:13
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First of all you didn't answer the question. Let me remind you.
Perhaps A Squared might explain to us unedumacated Aussies how the millions of unemployed, under employed and over employed but still not being paid a living wage might go about obtaining that insurance. Remind us of what your minimum wage is ......if your keyboard numbers go that low.
To keep the moderators happy US policy does effect me. The price of parts for my cessna have gone through the roof.

WHy are you so worried about what goes on in a country in which you don't live, and whose internal politics don't affect you?
ARE YOU EFFING KIDDING ME????????

If you have an ounce of common decency in your body or empathy for fellow human beings your heart must cry out at some of the sights in the US. On my first visit to Chicago I saw beggars on every second corner. There were all sorts , women with kids , people down on their luck but predominately returned soldiers probably wondering why they gave their all to a country that treats them so woefully on their return.

I talked to people whose wages were well below a living wage every week of the year. Suddenly a random alcohol breath test seems a small price to pay in exchange for a decent wage.

WHy are you so worried about what goes on in a country in which you don't live, and whose internal politics don't affect you?
Again are you effing kidding???? The US is the most aggressive country in the world with more than double the military might of any other country yet your new Dear Leader wants to increase arms spending while his people starve. This effects me because it encourages our weak minded leaders ... er.... I mean opinion poll followers ... to buy billions of $s more weapons while our power and water systems slowly collapse. It also effects me as your Dear Leader strives to trash the world's environment and take everyone down with him.
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Old 23rd Mar 2017, 23:30
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well, like I said;
I'm just saying that Australians and Americans have pretty different philosophies on some things

You want to have yourself an "I hate the US" rant, take it to Jet Blast.
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Old 23rd Mar 2017, 23:50
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A-squared, I am glad you are happy and think you are living in a great country. Enough folks however disagreed with you enough to elect donald trump. The fact remains that insurance premium cost against product defect litigation is a major component of aviation product cost.
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Old 24th Mar 2017, 00:02
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The fact remains that insurance premium cost against product defect litigation is a major component of aviation product cost.

Can you point out for me, the words of mine you misunderstand as me saying differently?
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Old 24th Mar 2017, 02:33
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You want to have yourself an "I hate the US" rant, take it to Jet Blast.
A Squared I don't "Hate the US" There are many things I greatly admire about the US. 99% of Americans I have met are great people and many of them despair about the growing inequality as I do about the same problem here in Australia. It's probably a subject best sorted out over a few beers rather than this forum. How about it next time I'm in the states?
If we solve it we'll both have cheaper planes and happier neighbours.
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Old 25th Mar 2017, 03:33
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Not quite sure when USA was part of the Pacific!


This is a professional pilots rumour network, where one would assume that you are at least an aviation professional of some sorts.

* Would a C172 owner and private pilot be considered a "professional"? I can not see how they would meet the criteria but certainly believe they have every right to post on this public forum.

There are so many opportunities for decent paying jobs that you'd have to decide which offer to take.

* Can you please link say 10 of these positions of well paying jobs (a variety of professional aviation jobs such as Pilots, Engineers, Air Traffic Controller, Mechanics, Painters, Regulators and Refullers would do).

You can go to mechanic school and get a decent $30 an hour job at a million and one places.


* I suggest only if you have mechanical skills and that is only about $60,000 a year not enough for a single parent with 3 kids and paying $20,160 a month in rent.

You can get a flight instructor job paying $35 an hour at every airport.


* $35,000 a year if the max hours (using 1,000) of the regulator are used.

With a Commercial/Instrument/Multi you can go right seat of a Beech 1900, Jetsteam 31 or Metroliner that pays $25,000 a year.


* What will my kids eat?

Captains with 1200 hours and a Pt135 letter get about $50,000 a year.


* I'll eat the kids!

With 1500 hours and an ATP you can get a job at any regional airline paying $50,000 a year to start, and about $80,000 once your captain.

* Is that 80K take home?


If that sounds like a mean, oppressive, nasty place. Then it's not for you.
Personally, I love it

* I have never been to the States but I know certain thing are quite cheap but I honestly can not see $80K even if net, having me and my 3 kids having a better quality of life than we have now. Possible great for a single or couple both working.

As a mechanic I don't think I would work for $30 per hour.
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Old 25th Mar 2017, 06:05
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Right hand seat job US$25,000 52 weeks & 40hrs/wk = US$12.02 per hour
=AUD$15.80 per hour AUD$32,895 per annum

Australia adult checkout operator AKA checkout chick, till tart .

IF ON PERMANENT-----$19.11 per hour $40,494 per annum
$24.30 after 6pm week days and Saturday all day
$38.88 Sunday
$48.60 Public Holidays
Not a lot more than the right hand seat job but you're home every day and need a lot less money to qualify for the job. It would take a while to buy a new C172 though.
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Old 25th Mar 2017, 06:20
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The US wages don't add up in Aus because of the eye-watering property prices here that make everyone feel so rich...
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Old 25th Mar 2017, 08:36
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Ok anyone got the numbers?


Buy 2 brand new 172's for a flying school (lets say $800K each landed and C of A done) - one is simply a back up for when the other is out of service eg maintenance.

What would the charge out costs be?


I understand the depreciation must be 5 years or more, but how long to pay back the principle amount of the aircraft?
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Old 25th Mar 2017, 08:44
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Fair go Band,
They're about$400k - $450k Oz dollars before the leave the states.
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