PC-21's for RAAF
Originally Posted by Shagger
Some people seem to forget really how shocking bloggs is.
Utter garbage.
PC21 to F-35. That should work well...
Thanks, BPA. 
(Although that may further confuse the issue?) Do the Singaporeans later leave W.A. PC-21s to fly M-346 jet trainers in France?
(Although that may further confuse the issue?) Do the Singaporeans later leave W.A. PC-21s to fly M-346 jet trainers in France?
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Is the confusion caused by : RSAF? Does BPA and Gerry confuse RSAF to be "REPUBLIC OF SINGAPORE AIRFORCE" or "ROYAL SAUDI AIRFORCE". Both outfits operate the PC-21. Or should I just s t f u and go into hiding?
The Singo's go onto their relevant A/C type after flying 21's.
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Sure...it was go and ask at recruiting to be a raaf pilot and in you go no questions asked and that's why all through macchi, PC 9 didn't work. There was no selection criteria....but those days have gone right? They now test their pilot candidates first.
Sorry the sarcasm wasn't obvious enough for you.It was in reference to a post above which implied that all through may work now because pilot selection is more than walking in to dfr and asking to be one. The planet I'm on is one where I was at raaf recruiting for a brief time before a long stint at 2fts. Where does your expertise stem from?
Sure...it was go and ask at recruiting to be a raaf pilot and in you go no questions asked and that's why all through macchi, PC 9 didn't work. There was no selection criteria....but those days have gone right? They now test their pilot candidates first.
Sorry the sarcasm wasn't obvious enough for you.It was in reference to a post above which implied that all through may work now because pilot selection is more than walking in to dfr and asking to be one. The planet I'm on is one where I was at raaf recruiting for a brief time before a long stint at 2fts. Where does your expertise stem from?
Fifteen years in RAAF as pilot and as 2FTS instructor before another 30 years in cockpits.
You need to stick your tongue more firmly in your cheek if you want sarcasm to work on this forum.
You need to stick your tongue more firmly in your cheek if you want sarcasm to work on this forum.
I actually thought tongue would poke out the side of my mouth if pushed any more in cheek if you read the very next lines on the post which went on to say how stringent recruiting has been at least since i joined. And most people seemed to get it. Possibly if someone just read the first sentence and then went on a keyboard rageit might be missed. That is not to say however that some odd candidates got through recruiting over the years.
By the way, i think i can match that on our swinging dick competitions 18 yrs RAAF starting in 1987, no ground postings except 6 months seconded to RAAF recruiting VIC. 6 yrs instructing at 2 FTS, and private flying since then on a few aircraft...hence being on this GA forum. So we may know each other.
And i agree with the poster who seems to have been training ab-initio pilots. 2FTS instructors dont have experience in that area although I think that part could be learned fairly quickly. In general, the students who rolled up at 2FTS from Tamworth were of a good standard for general flying and also, Tamworth was well respected for its standard of instruction at least when i was in. Usually it was the instrument flying or navigation where capacity limits first started showing themselves so the system worked well.
By the way, i think i can match that on our swinging dick competitions
18 yrs RAAF starting in 1987, no ground postings except 6 months seconded to RAAF recruiting VIC. 6 yrs instructing at 2 FTS, and private flying since then on a few aircraft...hence being on this GA forum. So we may know each other. And i agree with the poster who seems to have been training ab-initio pilots. 2FTS instructors dont have experience in that area although I think that part could be learned fairly quickly. In general, the students who rolled up at 2FTS from Tamworth were of a good standard for general flying and also, Tamworth was well respected for its standard of instruction at least when i was in. Usually it was the instrument flying or navigation where capacity limits first started showing themselves so the system worked well.
As Junior has said above, simulators in basic training are the new factor that Australia hasn't had before - I don't know how many we will have or how realistic they'll be, but they certainly may, at least in my opinion, be quite a powerful and cost-effective way to do early screening for seeing who gets a guernsey in the first place and then who goes on from initial to advanced training.
It seems to my admittedly un-simulator-savvy brain (never had much opportunity to get near them in my time), they would be a wonderful tool for putting Bloggsy into various situations and seeing how he/she copes. Add in video recordings of the proceedings, get your psychs and experts crunching the results and surely you have a great measuring tool for predicting how candidates will fare on course. This may be the factor that means 'all through advanced' training actually works this time round.
It seems to my admittedly un-simulator-savvy brain (never had much opportunity to get near them in my time), they would be a wonderful tool for putting Bloggsy into various situations and seeing how he/she copes. Add in video recordings of the proceedings, get your psychs and experts crunching the results and surely you have a great measuring tool for predicting how candidates will fare on course. This may be the factor that means 'all through advanced' training actually works this time round.
Originally Posted by ftrplt
Bloggs: it will be PC-21 to Hawk to F-35 (and F/A-18F and EA-18G)
https://www.airforce.gov.au/Technolo...NOMSQG/kuATXa+
they would be a wonderful tool for putting Bloggsy into various situations and seeing how he/she copes.
I get enough of that already with more sim time!
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The RAAF's bent plenty of Herc's Post #15
Creampuff, how would you like to back up your comment with some facts? I joined the RAAF the same year the first A models arrived (1958) and spent ten years on the Hercules, two as a Sumpie and the rest as a F/E before going onto the B707 when we acquired that type. Apart from the spinning (and recovering) of A97-207, the fracturing of a NLG strut due to metal fatigue on two aircraft (one A model and one H model) and an occasional bump by errant ground equipment handlers I am not aware of any C130's being bent. In almost 60 years of operations in multiple environments I would hardly classify that as having "bent plenty of Herc's". It is easy to make "throw-away" comments but not so easy to back them up.
I classify this as "bent"
A97-208
18SEP65 Damaged in a very heavy landing on the nosewheel while demonstrating a short field landing at the Laverton Air Display. The aircraft was inspected and the nose gear was chained-down through inspection apertures and flown back to Richmond, unpressurised, on 20th Sept. Stress damage was found to have transmitted for about three feet to the rear of the nosewheel bulkhead causing shallow corrugations of the skin, bent sub-structure and pulled rivets. I saw it on jacks in the hangar at 486 (M) Sqn so I think they did the repairs. (Source: Jack "Jockey" Fordyce)
That's 1965 and on the web.
I don't think that was the first and last very heavy landing Ronnie did in a Herc. And very heavy landings are not the only things that bend Hercs.
A97-208
18SEP65 Damaged in a very heavy landing on the nosewheel while demonstrating a short field landing at the Laverton Air Display. The aircraft was inspected and the nose gear was chained-down through inspection apertures and flown back to Richmond, unpressurised, on 20th Sept. Stress damage was found to have transmitted for about three feet to the rear of the nosewheel bulkhead causing shallow corrugations of the skin, bent sub-structure and pulled rivets. I saw it on jacks in the hangar at 486 (M) Sqn so I think they did the repairs. (Source: Jack "Jockey" Fordyce)
That's 1965 and on the web.
I don't think that was the first and last very heavy landing Ronnie did in a Herc. And very heavy landings are not the only things that bend Hercs.
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I wrote the word "bent" in post #14, and I would have thought that it would be construed as my gentle term to describe a crashed aircraft that's now written off and no longer a tangible asset. But I was using the word in a "gentle" sense.
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Definition of bent
Thanks Creampuff, you have cited one more than I did, still far from "plenty" I suggest. I operated the A-E & H models and aircraft being "bent" in flying operations was a very rare event. As for heavy landing incidents causing damage, the one you cited is the only one of which I am aware. My definition of "bending an aircraft" is to have caused damage by mis-handling or exceeding operating limits, in the context of this discussion.