King Air down at Essendon?
DF and others, from what I've seen the aircraft came down pretty damned hard, ie the area of wreckage was fairly minimal, possibly indicating a rather steep nose down attitude. If the engine was misidentified would it be fair to say this would likely lead to a very sudden loss of speed (possible stall) and therefore a very steep nose down attitude?
Given the fact the pilot reported an engine failure, and with only 5 POB, lets hope it's not another case of misidentifing the failed engine. RIP to all involved.
Concur with Birdman on the final flight path.
Taking a look at the location of the gouge in the DFO roof and some visual cues - the diagonal roofing join and the dislodged airconditioning unit, I would opine the final flight path is something as depicted here. (hope this attachment works).
The angle to Bulla Rd appears to be no more than about 30 degrees or about 50 degrees from rwy heading.
Taking a look at the location of the gouge in the DFO roof and some visual cues - the diagonal roofing join and the dislodged airconditioning unit, I would opine the final flight path is something as depicted here. (hope this attachment works).
The angle to Bulla Rd appears to be no more than about 30 degrees or about 50 degrees from rwy heading.
Yes the driver may have aborted the turn after seeing the smoke.
Either way it would help prove the veracity of the video.
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I just watched Ben on Studio Ten......really good.
They are reporting now that the black box has been recovered and is being sent to Canberra for analysis.........
Since when have King Airs had a black box flight recorder?
They are reporting now that the black box has been recovered and is being sent to Canberra for analysis.........
Since when have King Airs had a black box flight recorder?
Here's a curly one to add to the pot, was received from an apparently reliable overseas source as being a direct quote of a conversation with someone from the airport;
"He called mayday prior to rotation and then again early upwind. We suspect he lost an engine for the first mayday and then lost the second engine. It has more than enough power to continue on climb on a single engine so it must've been a double failure or something else catastrophic. Fuel would be the first suspect for losing two engines. The video I saw before he crashed he was traveling very slow, almost gliding. "
I have no way of verifying the conversation and it doesn't make much sense to me that the pilot would have called mayday on the runway and continued with the take-off, but there you have it.
"He called mayday prior to rotation and then again early upwind. We suspect he lost an engine for the first mayday and then lost the second engine. It has more than enough power to continue on climb on a single engine so it must've been a double failure or something else catastrophic. Fuel would be the first suspect for losing two engines. The video I saw before he crashed he was traveling very slow, almost gliding. "
I have no way of verifying the conversation and it doesn't make much sense to me that the pilot would have called mayday on the runway and continued with the take-off, but there you have it.
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The dash cam video Ch 9 and the ABC keep showing is clearly of a kingair on normal approach to runway 35. The accident aircraft didn't cross the freeway and DFO is north of the freeway. Hope they didn't pay for it!
Crikey!..
I 'lapsed' from AOPA 20 odd years ago, though after seeing the competent performance of Ben Morgan to the barrage of questions i reckon i will re-join..
Weren't long ago that a lighty flying around AF had plenty of grass to land on. Not any more... Call for urgent safety review of Brisbane's Archerfield Airport after Essendon tragedy - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
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I 'lapsed' from AOPA 20 odd years ago, though after seeing the competent performance of Ben Morgan to the barrage of questions i reckon i will re-join..Weren't long ago that a lighty flying around AF had plenty of grass to land on. Not any more... Call for urgent safety review of Brisbane's Archerfield Airport after Essendon tragedy - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
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Well Done Ben Morgan! 
How is the government 'safeguarding' our airport infrastructure by allowing significant non-aviation infrastructure development within airport boundaries immediately adjacent to critical runway areas (touchdown and lift-off zones)?.. This problem is an issue at many airports including Essendon, Bankstown and Canberra to name a few..
How is the government 'safeguarding' our airport infrastructure by allowing significant non-aviation infrastructure development within airport boundaries immediately adjacent to critical runway areas (touchdown and lift-off zones)?.. This problem is an issue at many airports including Essendon, Bankstown and Canberra to name a few..
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Here's a curly one to add to the pot, was received from an apparently reliable overseas source as being a direct quote of a conversation with someone from the airport;
"He called mayday prior to rotation and then again early upwind. We suspect he lost an engine for the first mayday and then lost the second engine. It has more than enough power to continue on climb on a single engine so it must've been a double failure or something else catastrophic. Fuel would be the first suspect for losing two engines. The video I saw before he crashed he was traveling very slow, almost gliding. "
I have no way of verifying the conversation and it doesn't make much sense to me that the pilot would have called mayday on the runway and continued with the take-off, but there you have it.
"He called mayday prior to rotation and then again early upwind. We suspect he lost an engine for the first mayday and then lost the second engine. It has more than enough power to continue on climb on a single engine so it must've been a double failure or something else catastrophic. Fuel would be the first suspect for losing two engines. The video I saw before he crashed he was traveling very slow, almost gliding. "
I have no way of verifying the conversation and it doesn't make much sense to me that the pilot would have called mayday on the runway and continued with the take-off, but there you have it.
Crikey!.. I 'lapsed' from AOPA 20 odd years ago, though after seeing the competent performance of Ben Morgan to the barrage of questions i reckon i will re-join..
Since when have King Airs had a black box flight recorder?
I think the large smoke plume and post impact fire would suggest there was plenty of fuel on board.
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has a reporting system that will tell
You probably are thinking of Turbine Tracker.
A very capable and useful little system but directed more at engine maintenance management than a DFDR's accident/incident investigation evidence capability.
While TT has some characteristics of FDRs, it certainly is not in the league of what Joe Bagadonuts, man in the street, thinks might be a modern DFDR.
You probably are thinking of Turbine Tracker.
A very capable and useful little system but directed more at engine maintenance management than a DFDR's accident/incident investigation evidence capability.
While TT has some characteristics of FDRs, it certainly is not in the league of what Joe Bagadonuts, man in the street, thinks might be a modern DFDR.