King Air down at Essendon?
Don’t know why anyone would want to fly something like a King Air without doing any sim training
Stickwith - "and what was that failure."
I dont know mate, but transmitting MAYDAY 9 times, are you suggesting there was no failure. My point is that there was some sort of failure, and experiencing it in the sim beats the hell out of seeing it in the aeroplane for the first time. Particularly if you are on 6 monthly sim cycles where you get to practice the failures more often and repetitively.
AND - its where you get to practice aviate, navigate, communicate - as opposed to communicate communicate communicate and obviously not doing anything else.
I dont know mate, but transmitting MAYDAY 9 times, are you suggesting there was no failure. My point is that there was some sort of failure, and experiencing it in the sim beats the hell out of seeing it in the aeroplane for the first time. Particularly if you are on 6 monthly sim cycles where you get to practice the failures more often and repetitively.
AND - its where you get to practice aviate, navigate, communicate - as opposed to communicate communicate communicate and obviously not doing anything else.
It was 7 times (Mayday) over 5 seconds and do we know for sure if it was in fact the PIC and not the unfortunate passenger sitting next to him using a handheld mic
No we don't know if anyone was sitting beside him, it's highly likely though. It's a truly bizarre event, it doesn't appear to have been under control right from the start. Looking at where it became airborne at 116kts is appears to have become airborne as a consequence of speed and configuration, never got above 160 feet, just a very shallow arc over 9 seconds to impact. It bares all the hallmarks of an incapacitation or pilot seat malfunction. There doesn't appear to have been any control inputs at all.
Xeptu, google VP-BBK crash, have a good read of that report.
Flight path look similar?
Not saying it's the case here with ZCR, but it's an avenue I hope the investigators look at, and to be honest probably a lot more likely than your hypothesis.
If I may ask, do you currently fly or have you previously flown the B200?
Flight path look similar?
Not saying it's the case here with ZCR, but it's an avenue I hope the investigators look at, and to be honest probably a lot more likely than your hypothesis.
If I may ask, do you currently fly or have you previously flown the B200?
There has been a building on that location at Essendon since at least 1962 when the old DCA hangar was relocated there to serve as home for the Regional Transport Depot.
Essendon Airport c.1963
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Essendon Airport 2004
Its a fair bit different than today and the structures closest to the runway look frangible and by virtue of the runway being shortened they are not as involved in the divergent fan area from the runway threshold. Quite a different kettle of fish.
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A bit like the talk that I heard third hand that engine components were found on the grass and runway near where the lights were hit.
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A fair bit of mention of the development around the immediate aerodrome. I don't think the result would have been any different, buildings or not. The flight path doesn't indicate, as has been suggested elsewhere, that he could have landed on the grass adjacent to 08. Putting aside the wisdom of allowing buildings where they are, their being their is inconsequential to the outcome.
Usually PM's about accidents contain information that a friend of a friend said, that people don't like to post on here in case the friend and the friend of the friend find out.
A bit like the talk that I heard third hand that engine components were found on the grass and runway near where the lights were hit.
A bit like the talk that I heard third hand that engine components were found on the grass and runway near where the lights were hit.
well thanks for your judgement guys, My PM's don't contain anything I havn't said here in public except personal information which is no-one else's business unless I choose to share it. I believe we owe it to any pilot that can't tell us themselves to explore every possibility, no matter how unlikely.
I owe you an apology. You’re doing this for the benefit of the pilot.
More power to your arm.
More power to your arm.
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Essendon Airport c.1963
2004
Essendon Airport 2004
Its a fair bit different than today and the structures closest to the runway look frangible and by virtue of the runway being shortened they are not as involved in the divergent fan area from the runway threshold. Quite a different kettle of fish.
Essendon Airport c.1963
2004
Essendon Airport 2004
Its a fair bit different than today and the structures closest to the runway look frangible and by virtue of the runway being shortened they are not as involved in the divergent fan area from the runway threshold. Quite a different kettle of fish.
Here's another page from the history of Essendon airport that is relevant;
2007
Note the following in the commentary;
In the south-eastern corner of the aerodrome, the former maintenance and stores area has been demolished (including the former Government Hangar) and replaced by a large retail shopping complex.
...sit more than 200 metres off the centre line of 17 and are therefore well outside the required obstacle-free clearway.
Mick... It’s not a survey admittedly, but on Google Earth shows Dan Murphys is a smidge over two runway widths from the edge of rwy 35. That’s half of 200.
I guess it depends on what you call 'the DFO buildings'. For the avoidance of confusion, Perimeter Road, which runs around the boundary at that end of 17, is 100 metres off the centreline. Dan Murphy's sits just outside the Perimeter Road, so, yes, it's about 105 metres off the centreline. The closest corner of what I call 'the DFO buildings', the tilt-up construction complexes that house Nick Scali, Freedom, Spotlight, JB Hi-Fi, etc, is located about 160 metres off the centreline. ZCR's first impact was a good 250 metres off the centreline.