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King Air down at Essendon?

Old 21st Feb 2017, 01:13
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I doubt it Kaz, what is more likely to happen is that airports in the middle of built up areas (despite the airport being there first) will be criticised and calls for it to be closed down.
Exactly - the "Australian way" ... crooked pollies funded by dodgy developers allow the developments to encroach, bit by bit, until the airport is dead.
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Old 21st Feb 2017, 01:14
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I can remember one of the Army BE20 drivers from Qld telling me years ago that he had an EFATO in one, & if it wasn't for all the bells & whistles going off he would have hardly known as the aircraft was still climbing out as per usual. Very reliable aircraft, the BE20. I'll be very interested to find out the cause of this crash, but my guess is it's going to take a while.

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Old 21st Feb 2017, 01:24
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DF - I bet that EFATO was above the TOSS on a nice big runway, along with some false modesty. Not all are so (un)lucky.

Without enough airspeed to go, putting it down again is the only option. That might have sent him off the end into the peak hour traffic.
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Old 21st Feb 2017, 01:26
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Serial number BB-1544, so we know this was a B200, as opposed to a straight 200.

B200's, I believe, all have autofeather installed as standard.

Anyone can confirm that this machine had operative autofeather?
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Old 21st Feb 2017, 01:27
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Strange ownership things going on here listed as operated by "AUSTRALIAN CORPORATE JET CENTRES PTY. LTD." yet according to the Herald Sun they were not involved and it was instead operated by Corporate and Leisure Travel. Also apparently MYjet is the owner of the aircraft - bit of a mess.

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Also quote for HS

Brenton Skinn, operations manager of Short Stop Jet Charter said the pilot is in his 60s and believed to be a very experienced and freelance known by most charter services at Essendon and works for multiple charter companies.

“[The pilot] is a great guy. It’s a very sad day, he’s been working from Essendon a very long time,” he said.

“He’s married with a couple of kids I think.’’

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Old 21st Feb 2017, 01:34
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FGD, based on the photos it had Hartzell 4-Bladers. AFX is a mandatory equipment. Whether it was operational or not is something that will hopefully be determined.

Stephen Quatermain's (10 news) twit feed has what looks like a still shot from a dash cam not long before impact, the aircraft looks quite level in it and no severe pitch or bank at the time.
Is it a legitimate pic? Who knows.
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Old 21st Feb 2017, 01:44
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CR, I haven't been into Essendon since 2012, but it looks like that dash cam photo is showing an aircraft on late final for 35.
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Old 21st Feb 2017, 01:45
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Maybe so Ramrod, but if that dashcam pic is looking NNW along Bulla Rd the aircraft has already turned left roughly 90 degrees. Maybe he had levelled the wings in the first stages of a recovery, but alas.
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Old 21st Feb 2017, 01:46
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Nose wheel is on the freeway. Seems like the wheels were probably still down.
The aircraft appears to have been completely destroyed. No doubt many components previously inside the airframe are now outside. Deducing from a wheel on a road that the landing gear was extended at the time of impact defies all common sense. Maybe the gear was extended, maybe it wasn't but the usual garbage is emerging in record time on prune.
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Old 21st Feb 2017, 01:49
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as someone who was actually there...

Kingair had 5 POB with return fuel and golf clubs, well under weight.

Left engine failure, however aircraft hasnt rolled, merely yawed, now seen the dash cam footage of a vehicle driving on the freeway, kingair was horizontal when she when down
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Old 21st Feb 2017, 01:59
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This video is about 15 minutes of the roof damge. Looks as though left wing hit, prop not turning, pancaked and spun 180 or so down and through the roof, backwards but level crashed through the construction barrier almost level and intact. Before the fire got to it, it was pretty much all there not scattered all over the place.
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Old 21st Feb 2017, 02:04
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Originally Posted by compressor stall View Post
DF - I bet that EFATO was above the TOSS on a nice big runway, along with some false modesty. Not all are so (un)lucky.

Without enough airspeed to go, putting it down again is the only option. That might have sent him off the end into the peak hour traffic.
He probably did have more runway to play with. He did also mention that there was a bum in every seat & full fuel.
I'm not questioning the why's & wherefores of what happened today. It's a very tragic situation, & let's face it - it could have been worse.

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Old 21st Feb 2017, 02:04
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Mention has been made of a similar accident at Mascot in 1980 involving A KingAir 200.
That aircraft was overweight and operating in very different conditions. (QNH 997 millibars and OAT of 39 degrees C). As mentioned it was also believed to have been using a reduced power setting for take-off which effectively reduced engine performance by more than 20%.
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Old 21st Feb 2017, 02:08
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What happens with a B200 eng / prop if it over torques ? Will it auto feather or you still have to shut it down with manual / auto feather system ?

RIP to those involved and thoughts going out to family and friends
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Old 21st Feb 2017, 02:15
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To add to what OF just wrote - and the pilot turned left rather than maintaining runway heading, did not arm the auto feather (company policy was that it not be armed) and used a hand held mike rather than a boom mike.
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Old 21st Feb 2017, 02:17
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why would company policy be not to arm autofeather?
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Old 21st Feb 2017, 02:18
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There was an incident involving a C90 in Toowoomba in 2001 that potentially has some similarities to this event. Engine failure on takeoff, unfeathered prop, 20 second flight ended in an industrial estate off the end of Rwy 29. Report is here, update here. Inquest findings here.

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Old 21st Feb 2017, 02:22
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Max I've heard
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Old 21st Feb 2017, 02:23
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Originally Posted by TULSAMI View Post
was the PIC GM?
No. There are enough clues in the media coverage to figure it out
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Old 21st Feb 2017, 02:30
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Eclan, 'seems' and 'probably' are not definitive terms.

Since that post I've heard two very different witness accounts and happy to say that things may not be as they first seem. If that dash cam screenshot is correct it definitely seems/appears that the gear was up.

One, on impact the aircraft cartwheeled. These forces could easily separate and subsequently fling an extended gear leg.
Two, after coming to rest the aircraft then exploded, sending the wheel out onto the freeway. This, I suspect, is not exactly a common scenario therefore when I posted the comment originally this was not what seemed was probable.



Toruck, if you have an over torque it will not auto feather on you, that's not how the system works. Pull the power lever back, if that has no effect, cut the fuel and manually feather. I would expect though, that if the engine failed after an uncorrected over torque event that the prop will automatically feather.

Certain FCU failures can occur that pumps in all the fuel it can and give you an unscheduled over torque with unresponsive power lever movement, and the only option is to shut it down.
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