Avalon Airshow 3-5 March 2017
Some of you are so far from the truth, its laughable.
Wasn't going till my youngest son expressed an interest. Not going to let a chance go by
Prepared for the onslaught, right lane passed the Pt Henry turnoff down to the Lara entry point. Nearly an hour from stopping traffic till pulling up in Orange 49. Ten dollars to park? Really? $150.00 lighter at the gate after an invigorating walk of over a km. Noting, I arrived at AV at midday. Big crowd. Found a spot right on display midpoint in front of the Boeing hospitality tent and enjoyed the show. Highights Jurgis is fantastic, the Super Decathalon, glider aerobatics, and the jet sonex...methinks the talking heads lost the prepared talking points for that one...The H coming in low and fast from right under the display line outside the perimeter fence...hot stuff!
Never realised the aerodynamic work on the tips of the Poseidon were so extensive...wonder when this migrates back into the 73 fleet? Military iron, C17, what a machine! The 22, best spend of 300mill to build an airshow routine. Really, the invasion thing? The guys need to go back to the RAAF airshows of the seventies and eighties to work out Fire and Movement. The modern stuff is neither slick nor fast...cummmon, Shock and Awe us!
End of the show, did the usual and walked the static display line. The buzz for my youngest, and Larissa, if you read PRUNE, showing us your P3 made his day
Over 2kliks back to the car but worth it to walk passed soo many cars queuing out. Back out via Lara and Old Melbourne Rd back to Little River, Cranbourne in under two hours. I'm old and jaded but my son loved it so...priceless
Prepared for the onslaught, right lane passed the Pt Henry turnoff down to the Lara entry point. Nearly an hour from stopping traffic till pulling up in Orange 49. Ten dollars to park? Really? $150.00 lighter at the gate after an invigorating walk of over a km. Noting, I arrived at AV at midday. Big crowd. Found a spot right on display midpoint in front of the Boeing hospitality tent and enjoyed the show. Highights Jurgis is fantastic, the Super Decathalon, glider aerobatics, and the jet sonex...methinks the talking heads lost the prepared talking points for that one...The H coming in low and fast from right under the display line outside the perimeter fence...hot stuff!Never realised the aerodynamic work on the tips of the Poseidon were so extensive...wonder when this migrates back into the 73 fleet? Military iron, C17, what a machine! The 22, best spend of 300mill to build an airshow routine. Really, the invasion thing? The guys need to go back to the RAAF airshows of the seventies and eighties to work out Fire and Movement. The modern stuff is neither slick nor fast...cummmon, Shock and Awe us!
End of the show, did the usual and walked the static display line. The buzz for my youngest, and Larissa, if you read PRUNE, showing us your P3 made his day
Over 2kliks back to the car but worth it to walk passed soo many cars queuing out. Back out via Lara and Old Melbourne Rd back to Little River, Cranbourne in under two hours. I'm old and jaded but my son loved it so...priceless
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Loudest single engine jet I've heard - by a long shot.
Really liked the F22 Raptor display, met one the FJs later and asked whether all that copious use of afterburner was automatic - nope it was a very manual selection. He also explained the wing configuration used for the slow pass which was also done on full burners.
Colour, movement and noise, it attracts people. Glad you were all entertained. However as a learning experience for a GA pilot, Avalon, at least on the trade days, was a big fat zero.
Well, maybe not quite.... CASA's use of an air display to ramp check GA pilots flying in conclusively demonstrates their contempt for GA aviation. Did they ramp check any of the pilots of the shiny business jets and helicopters that were on display? Do they ramp check Jetstar? Of course not.
Well, maybe not quite.... CASA's use of an air display to ramp check GA pilots flying in conclusively demonstrates their contempt for GA aviation. Did they ramp check any of the pilots of the shiny business jets and helicopters that were on display? Do they ramp check Jetstar? Of course not.
OZBUSDRIVER:---- The P8 Poseidon has a raked wingtip basically the same as the 777-300ER and the 767-400ER. For some reason they didn't want the winglet like a standard 737NG, maybe something to do with the offensive/defensive equipment carried? Don't know maybe it's more efficient?
http://www.boeing.com/commercial/aer...p_devices.html
Apparently they are more efficient, the NAVY need the range/performance but don't care about the extra span. Also they are apparently not certified for Civilian 737 use......too wide for some domestic airport gates so no operator wants them?
http://www.boeing.com/commercial/aer...p_devices.html
Apparently they are more efficient, the NAVY need the range/performance but don't care about the extra span. Also they are apparently not certified for Civilian 737 use......too wide for some domestic airport gates so no operator wants them?
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Nah - we just told the CASA guys to look out for you Sunfish.
Lancair - that's the one!!!
Avalon - my kind of show.
Loud, politically incorrect display of force-projection and killing machinery.
Excellent.
Lancair - that's the one!!!
Avalon - my kind of show.
Loud, politically incorrect display of force-projection and killing machinery.
Excellent.
And right on cue, Sunfish to remind everyone that he's a perennial whinger.
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I don't think we need the F-35,s money could have been better spent on more super Hornets, but typical useless Australian Government always wanting to keep up with the yanks. By the time we take full ownership of them the Government that placed the order are no longer in office and its the new government that's to got deal with the problems. The same with the Eurocopter Tiger, we have had them for about 10 years now and still not up to 100% capability, we should have gone for track proven Apache.
Squawk, ,there is no mention of SAAA or Bert Flood imports in the official directory of exhibitors, neither was there a Rotax stand on Thursday. If there had been, I would have clung to it like a drowning man.
I stand by my point, which a few others have also made, which is that General Aviation was totally ignored by the Airshow Organizers, or if not ignored, the lack of GA exhibitors demonstrates the rotten state of the GA industry in Australia. he Regulators behaviour in ramp checking GA aircraft as they arrived at Avalon demonstrates that the Government holds the entire sector in contempt.
I note that you even went to the lengths of taking and posting a photo of the Rotax stand for the sole purpose of annoying me.
Is it any wonder that GA is in trouble in Australia with people like you allegedly part of it?
I stand by my point, which a few others have also made, which is that General Aviation was totally ignored by the Airshow Organizers, or if not ignored, the lack of GA exhibitors demonstrates the rotten state of the GA industry in Australia. he Regulators behaviour in ramp checking GA aircraft as they arrived at Avalon demonstrates that the Government holds the entire sector in contempt.
I note that you even went to the lengths of taking and posting a photo of the Rotax stand for the sole purpose of annoying me.
Is it any wonder that GA is in trouble in Australia with people like you allegedly part of it?
I note that you even went to the lengths of taking and posting a photo of the Rotax stand for the sole purpose of annoying me.
My 4th and last Avalon. Why? Because it's too much of the same (display-wise) and because it seems unable to attract even near-foreign display interest. In 2015 I think I recall even the Singaporeans flew. This year, not (at least on Friday). Both NZ and Canadian defence forces represented by C130 static displays. Even NZ?? Come on!
The F35s arrived, flew a couple of breaks, and landed. Lots of PA hype, but really, it was just another fast jet... with its cockpit canopy back-to-front. The Roulettes canned themselves due to a stiff breeze.
Uncle Sam's trusty Bone and KC135 were there as expected. The usual U.S. F16 did its usual routine with its excruciating, pre-recorded, media-wonk commentary. Most of the handling displays were the organiser's hardy perennials. Would love to have been surprised by something new. And who was really buying any GA light aircraft, corporate jets, or missiles? Was it at all worthwhile for the companies to have set them up? What meaningful business might have been transacted in those industry marquees? Any? Really? The Australian 'International' Airshow has become cringeworthy and provincial... a national embarrassment.
Is part of the problem that our organisers insist on calling it the Australian International Airshow? Might that bit of self-congratulatory knob-pulling actually put off some of the national forces in our region? There's nothing on the US airshow circuit that is labelled United States International Airshow. Paris is not called the French International Airshow. Farnborough is not presented as the UK International Airshow. Might Avalon be in the death-grip of an overly self-satisfied club of retired Air Marshals, industry sinecurists, and flying club life members? Does the whole thing need a total rethink? I think yes, and yes. For God's sake, yes!
Unless you're Ozbusdriver, there for the first time with a youngster who is going to be blown away by the noise and spectacle such as it is, it has become a bore. As for the High Flyer's Club... totally emblematic of the profiteering rip-off that this event has become.
Have no idea what I'm bitching about? Can't see what my problem is? Never seen a REAL, thrilling, entertaining airshow? You need to see Oshkosh, b'gosh! Until then, you're not on the same page as me.
The F35s arrived, flew a couple of breaks, and landed. Lots of PA hype, but really, it was just another fast jet... with its cockpit canopy back-to-front. The Roulettes canned themselves due to a stiff breeze.
Uncle Sam's trusty Bone and KC135 were there as expected. The usual U.S. F16 did its usual routine with its excruciating, pre-recorded, media-wonk commentary. Most of the handling displays were the organiser's hardy perennials. Would love to have been surprised by something new. And who was really buying any GA light aircraft, corporate jets, or missiles? Was it at all worthwhile for the companies to have set them up? What meaningful business might have been transacted in those industry marquees? Any? Really? The Australian 'International' Airshow has become cringeworthy and provincial... a national embarrassment.
Is part of the problem that our organisers insist on calling it the Australian International Airshow? Might that bit of self-congratulatory knob-pulling actually put off some of the national forces in our region? There's nothing on the US airshow circuit that is labelled United States International Airshow. Paris is not called the French International Airshow. Farnborough is not presented as the UK International Airshow. Might Avalon be in the death-grip of an overly self-satisfied club of retired Air Marshals, industry sinecurists, and flying club life members? Does the whole thing need a total rethink? I think yes, and yes. For God's sake, yes!
Unless you're Ozbusdriver, there for the first time with a youngster who is going to be blown away by the noise and spectacle such as it is, it has become a bore. As for the High Flyer's Club... totally emblematic of the profiteering rip-off that this event has become.
Have no idea what I'm bitching about? Can't see what my problem is? Never seen a REAL, thrilling, entertaining airshow? You need to see Oshkosh, b'gosh! Until then, you're not on the same page as me.
It's amazing how Australia with a population of 24 million people can't seem to generate the same type of airshow as the Oshkosh in the US.. Damn near mystifying, hopefully the brains trust will be able to figure it out.
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junior.VH-LFA I think you are missing the point. I totally agree with what Down and Welded has said. I think most would realise that we don't have the capacity or the numbers to run an event like Oshkosh, however as a teenager I went to several airshows at Amberly and they were spectacular, even my local aero club (Toowoomba) could put on an airshow which not only drew huge crowds, they were throughly enjoyed by everyone who attended. Of course I acknowledge that these were days prior to internet, cable TV, mobile phones and the countless other distractions that run peoples lives these days. The biggest difference being that there was absolute passion and enthusiasm displayed by everyone involved, before that was crushed by an overbearing regulator! When you have time take a look at the following link. Shock horror, not a fluro vest in sight! Doing dangerous stuff near crowds of people! At night! Nobody died, or even injured! Why???? Just a few of my observations: The Military as well as airlines and most organizations attracted and employed the best and the brightest people in our society, spent some money on training them to the highest possible standard which resulted in stuff like you will see in that link. Unfortunately this excluded a large number of people, so what happened next? We kept lowering the bar so that more and more could be included, resulting in quotas needing to be met etc. etc. Before you come back to me that I am racist, non inclusive, sexist or whatever is the current correct PC term to describe me, I grew up in a household with enlightened parents (of course not realised by me at the time) who treated both my sister and I equally and encouraged us to become the best that we could be. It was not until my sister obtained her first job doing research in a laborotory (she was much smarter than me as I only became an airline pilot) and I found out that she was paid less than her male colleagues for doing exactly the same job that I realised that not everyone is treated fairly or had the benefit of growing up as we did. (Yep, naive I know). Anyway my entire life I have believed in equal pay for equal work, equal rights for everyone no matter what race, colour, creed, gender, sexual orientation etc. However what I will never accept is equal pay for unequal work, such as many female tennis players claiming that they should be paid the same as the men? By all means when they start playing five sets instead of three, put the hand out for the extra cash, however if you then want to play the - well women aren't as strong as men, you are picking on me because I'm different etc. then I maintain that they just need to suck it up! Hope that you enjoy the video.
https://youtu.be/s0SN3tG4Atk
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My 4th and last Avalon. Why? Because it's too much of the same (display-wise) and because it seems unable to attract even near-foreign display interest. In 2015 I think I recall even the Singaporeans flew. This year, not (at least on Friday). Both NZ and Canadian defence forces represented by C130 static displays. Even NZ?? Come on!
The F35s arrived, flew a couple of breaks, and landed. Lots of PA hype, but really, it was just another fast jet... with its cockpit canopy back-to-front. The Roulettes canned themselves due to a stiff breeze.
Uncle Sam's trusty Bone and KC135 were there as expected. The usual U.S. F16 did its usual routine with its excruciating, pre-recorded, media-wonk commentary. Most of the handling displays were the organiser's hardy perennials. Would love to have been surprised by something new. And who was really buying any GA light aircraft, corporate jets, or missiles? Was it at all worthwhile for the companies to have set them up? What meaningful business might have been transacted in those industry marquees? Any? Really? The Australian 'International' Airshow has become cringeworthy and provincial... a national embarrassment.
Is part of the problem that our organisers insist on calling it the Australian International Airshow? Might that bit of self-congratulatory knob-pulling actually put off some of the national forces in our region? There's nothing on the US airshow circuit that is labelled United States International Airshow. Paris is not called the French International Airshow. Farnborough is not presented as the UK International Airshow. Might Avalon be in the death-grip of an overly self-satisfied club of retired Air Marshals, industry sinecurists, and flying club life members? Does the whole thing need a total rethink? I think yes, and yes. For God's sake, yes!
Unless you're Ozbusdriver, there for the first time with a youngster who is going to be blown away by the noise and spectacle such as it is, it has become a bore. As for the High Flyer's Club... totally emblematic of the profiteering rip-off that this event has become.
Have no idea what I'm bitching about? Can't see what my problem is? Never seen a REAL, thrilling, entertaining airshow? You need to see Oshkosh, b'gosh! Until then, you're not on the same page as me.
The F35s arrived, flew a couple of breaks, and landed. Lots of PA hype, but really, it was just another fast jet... with its cockpit canopy back-to-front. The Roulettes canned themselves due to a stiff breeze.
Uncle Sam's trusty Bone and KC135 were there as expected. The usual U.S. F16 did its usual routine with its excruciating, pre-recorded, media-wonk commentary. Most of the handling displays were the organiser's hardy perennials. Would love to have been surprised by something new. And who was really buying any GA light aircraft, corporate jets, or missiles? Was it at all worthwhile for the companies to have set them up? What meaningful business might have been transacted in those industry marquees? Any? Really? The Australian 'International' Airshow has become cringeworthy and provincial... a national embarrassment.
Is part of the problem that our organisers insist on calling it the Australian International Airshow? Might that bit of self-congratulatory knob-pulling actually put off some of the national forces in our region? There's nothing on the US airshow circuit that is labelled United States International Airshow. Paris is not called the French International Airshow. Farnborough is not presented as the UK International Airshow. Might Avalon be in the death-grip of an overly self-satisfied club of retired Air Marshals, industry sinecurists, and flying club life members? Does the whole thing need a total rethink? I think yes, and yes. For God's sake, yes!
Unless you're Ozbusdriver, there for the first time with a youngster who is going to be blown away by the noise and spectacle such as it is, it has become a bore. As for the High Flyer's Club... totally emblematic of the profiteering rip-off that this event has become.
Have no idea what I'm bitching about? Can't see what my problem is? Never seen a REAL, thrilling, entertaining airshow? You need to see Oshkosh, b'gosh! Until then, you're not on the same page as me.
Farnborough International Airshow Trade 2016 - Welcome to the world?s greatest airshow
RAF Air Tattoo Fairford does as well
Royal Air Force Charitable Trust Enterprises - Home Page
Abbotsford Canada - yes they do as well.
https://www.abbotsfordairshow.com
Paris - another that calls itself International
https://www.siae.fr/en/
VH-LFA:
While we are talking percentages, Avalon can't even produce 5% of what Oshkosh does.
It's amazing how Australia with a population of 24 million people can't seem to generate the same type of airshow as the Oshkosh in the US.. Damn near mystifying, hopefully the brains trust will be able to figure it out.