Greens want to Ban over flights of Melbourne
Squawk7700 if they didn't have those flights would you really consider the area to be any less noisy? You are right in the heart of the CBD, a very busy CBD with Cars, Trams, Trains, Buses and Trucks not all that far away.
If we shut down those flights would there be any real respite? or would we just be shutting down a perfectly legitimate business and find no real reward?
If the Helicopters are the problem then why are they not specifically mentioning them or targeting them? I'd suggest this is because they know they wouldn't really have a leg to stand on and that there would be some other personal interests they aren't disclosing, perhaps inregards to properties they own on the river or in the city.
If we shut down those flights would there be any real respite? or would we just be shutting down a perfectly legitimate business and find no real reward?
If the Helicopters are the problem then why are they not specifically mentioning them or targeting them? I'd suggest this is because they know they wouldn't really have a leg to stand on and that there would be some other personal interests they aren't disclosing, perhaps inregards to properties they own on the river or in the city.
You definitely hear them and it would be much more peaceful without them, for sure. But as for the reward for stopping them - immeasurable.
The Melbourne Greens would be better off banning the over-amplified noise of the buskers' excruciating performances that plague the CBD. Far worse than blade slap.
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Section 10C of their proposed bill
Review of flight paths created or changed on or after 1 January 2012
(1) A person may request AA to review a new flight path route, or a change to an existing flight path route, made on or after 1 January 2012 as a result of AA’s management of flight paths if:
(a) the person is directly impacted by take-off and landing of aircraft because of the flight path; or
(b) the person is subjected to high intensity air traffic from flyover impact because of the flight path.
(1) A person may request AA to review a new flight path route, or a change to an existing flight path route, made on or after 1 January 2012 as a result of AA’s management of flight paths if:
(a) the person is directly impacted by take-off and landing of aircraft because of the flight path; or
(b) the person is subjected to high intensity air traffic from flyover impact because of the flight path.
Re 'the person is directly impacted by take-off and landing of aircraft because of the flight path'......
= Speared by an 'errant' pitot tube... ??
= Speared by an 'errant' pitot tube... ??
...Does this mean they will drive in future!!!!!
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I remember some years ago someone from the Greens trying to book a Charter Flight for Bob Brown to fly over the Wonthaggi Desalination plant. They required an aircraft with about TWENTY seats.
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I pray most days, one day I will wake up to hear the news all greens members are reported missing. They are a cancer that has infected the minds of today's youth with their ideologies, spreading misinformation and lies, then reporting them as facts. - most of which has NOTHING to do with the environment.
Seeing how easily Australians believe the crap they spread has made me lose hope in this country and it's future.
-rant over-
PS: Jabawocky - enjoyed the reference to GCA.. wish we still had our semi's.
Seeing how easily Australians believe the crap they spread has made me lose hope in this country and it's future.
-rant over-
PS: Jabawocky - enjoyed the reference to GCA.. wish we still had our semi's.
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Agree completely with the sentiment of this thread however.....
What is the response to this from GA?
Just because the proposal is crazy doesn't mean it won't be passed. Surely it wouldn't be the only crazy legislation that has been passed through parliament.
What is the response to this from GA?
Just because the proposal is crazy doesn't mean it won't be passed. Surely it wouldn't be the only crazy legislation that has been passed through parliament.
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^^ What he said. Then it won't happen to Essendon, it won't happen to YMMB...it will happen to the small operators who haven't got the deep pockets to fight the process. Small airfields, small operators, wiped out.
Not a peep from any of the industry bodies.
Not a doomsayer or anything but I've watched these useless tits in action for too long. Pity all of us with Bandt as our local member. He's responsible for most things that happen in the world - you don't have to ask him, he'll tell you repeatedly without asking.
Not a peep from any of the industry bodies.
Not a doomsayer or anything but I've watched these useless tits in action for too long. Pity all of us with Bandt as our local member. He's responsible for most things that happen in the world - you don't have to ask him, he'll tell you repeatedly without asking.
AOPA Australia opposes the Adam Bandt MP Members Bill that serves to remove the rights of Australian aircraft owners and pilots.
Thursday, 1st December 2016
The Hon Adam Bandt MP
Member for Melbourne, Australian Greens
House of Representatives
PO BOX 6022
Canberra ACT 2600, Australia
The Hon Darren Chester MP
Minister for Infrastructure and Transport
House of Representatives
Parliament House
Canberra ACT 2600, Australia.
Mr Bandt,
I am writing to you on behalf of the Aircraft Owners and Pilots Association (AOPA) of Australia in response to your Members Bill introduced to Parliament on Monday 28th November 2016, seeking to remove the rights of Australian general aviation pilots and aircraft owners by effectively banning flights over Melbourne City (MCTY).
The AOPA Australia firmly opposes your proposed legislation and is seriously concerned that neither yourself or your staff have sought to consult with the Australian general aviation industry, so as to seek cooperative solutions that does not include forcibly removing the rights of ordinary Australian’s to participate in flying in and around Melbourne, Victoria.
With the above in mind, the AOPA Australia would like to convene a meeting as soon as practical so that we may develop a full and complete understanding of the issues and concerns raised by your constituents. If your office could please confirm a time, it would be greatly appreciated.
Yours Sincerely,
BENJAMIN MORGAN
Executive Director - Aircraft Owners and Pilots Association (AOPA)
Hangar 600, Prentice Street, Bankstown Airport NSW 2200 Australia.
PO BOX 26, Georges Hall NSW 2198 Australia.
Mobile: 0415 577 724
Telephone: (02) 9791 9099
Email: [email protected]
Thursday, 1st December 2016
The Hon Adam Bandt MP
Member for Melbourne, Australian Greens
House of Representatives
PO BOX 6022
Canberra ACT 2600, Australia
The Hon Darren Chester MP
Minister for Infrastructure and Transport
House of Representatives
Parliament House
Canberra ACT 2600, Australia.
Mr Bandt,
I am writing to you on behalf of the Aircraft Owners and Pilots Association (AOPA) of Australia in response to your Members Bill introduced to Parliament on Monday 28th November 2016, seeking to remove the rights of Australian general aviation pilots and aircraft owners by effectively banning flights over Melbourne City (MCTY).
The AOPA Australia firmly opposes your proposed legislation and is seriously concerned that neither yourself or your staff have sought to consult with the Australian general aviation industry, so as to seek cooperative solutions that does not include forcibly removing the rights of ordinary Australian’s to participate in flying in and around Melbourne, Victoria.
With the above in mind, the AOPA Australia would like to convene a meeting as soon as practical so that we may develop a full and complete understanding of the issues and concerns raised by your constituents. If your office could please confirm a time, it would be greatly appreciated.
Yours Sincerely,
BENJAMIN MORGAN
Executive Director - Aircraft Owners and Pilots Association (AOPA)
Hangar 600, Prentice Street, Bankstown Airport NSW 2200 Australia.
PO BOX 26, Georges Hall NSW 2198 Australia.
Mobile: 0415 577 724
Telephone: (02) 9791 9099
Email: [email protected]
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There isn't much green in Melbourne city anyway. Most of it is vacant high density high-rise buildings owned by foreigners, so what exactly are these loopies defending... never mind.
Just legalise marijuana and everything will go quiet.
Just legalise marijuana and everything will go quiet.
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Thanks for your input AOPA, but really. How about a letter that's in the English language? Paragraph 2 is a complete shocker.
How about a letter with some hard hitting facts about noise signatures of GA aircraft, the inverse square law and the lack of evidence to support the proposed impost? How about a clear statement about the regulatory impact on business and private operators of the proposed arrangements?
I, like many others I'm sure, am very grateful that we have an organisation like AOPA. But please hit harder than a damp lettuce leaf.
How about a letter with some hard hitting facts about noise signatures of GA aircraft, the inverse square law and the lack of evidence to support the proposed impost? How about a clear statement about the regulatory impact on business and private operators of the proposed arrangements?
I, like many others I'm sure, am very grateful that we have an organisation like AOPA. But please hit harder than a damp lettuce leaf.
MikeJulietHotel, they can't just come out swinging straight away, the Greens have barely mentioned what any of their specific issues are that are causing them to seek this.
As such AOPA are trying to find out what the issues are and I'm sure they will then bring out facts to oppose it that are directly related to the issues the Greens raise.
As such AOPA are trying to find out what the issues are and I'm sure they will then bring out facts to oppose it that are directly related to the issues the Greens raise.