They found the person in Melbourne doing fake radio calls !
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It costs approximately $100k per annum to house a prisoner in Victoria. I was told this by the head of a maximum security prison only a couple of weeks back.
Some prisoners are locked up in their cells for 23 hours a day. It's not somewhere where the average person ever wants to end up! It's quite a sad place really. All they want (generally) is to be outside with their families.
Some prisoners are locked up in their cells for 23 hours a day. It's not somewhere where the average person ever wants to end up! It's quite a sad place really. All they want (generally) is to be outside with their families.
Those who are placed on Community Corrections Orders are far more likely to comply with conditions of treatment and program participation, and will actually perform work to effect reparation to the community. They are also much less likely to reoffend.
Unfortunately, those who serve a first prison term are 80% likely to reoffend and serve another one. Factors include the lessons they learn by associating with other offenders, the huge difficulty in finding accommodation and work post-release and mental health issues.
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It's actually around $220k now and the likelihood of any sort of rehabilitation inside is remote as revealed by a recent audit of Corrections Victoria.
44.1% are re-offending within two years of release.
Corrections Victoria budget is $1.04b p/a.
Spot the ACA viewers...
Lock him up? Sure cos none of us did anything stupid, illegal or punishable as teenagers. I always find it funny that generally the ones that want 'the book thrown at the cretin' will also belly ache about the cost of prisons and why the guvmint is wasting 'their tax dollars'. Also most likely baby boomers, you know the ones who have lived through never before seen prosperity and have destroyed the housing market for their children through negative gearing, with the added bonus of minimising the tax dollars they have to pay to said squandering guvmint.
Do you honestly think that by 'locking him up', you will solve all the problems? Recidivism already costs this country far too much. And harsh judicial penalties do not now, nor have they ever been an effective deterrent for criminal activity. Furthermore, compared to 20 years ago, with the exception of sexual assualt, we live in a safer Australia as a whole. But you don't 'feel' safe do you...
Perhaps a non custodial sentence and a rehabilitation/psych assesment would be the best option for society and the alleged offender. He's still young and odds are this is his first offence.
Finally, the statement that issuing fake clearances to an aircraft is close to hijacking is interesting. Would love to hear the reasoning behind that.
Nevermind, all aboard the outrage bus, next stop, the lynching tree.
Lock him up? Sure cos none of us did anything stupid, illegal or punishable as teenagers. I always find it funny that generally the ones that want 'the book thrown at the cretin' will also belly ache about the cost of prisons and why the guvmint is wasting 'their tax dollars'. Also most likely baby boomers, you know the ones who have lived through never before seen prosperity and have destroyed the housing market for their children through negative gearing, with the added bonus of minimising the tax dollars they have to pay to said squandering guvmint.
Do you honestly think that by 'locking him up', you will solve all the problems? Recidivism already costs this country far too much. And harsh judicial penalties do not now, nor have they ever been an effective deterrent for criminal activity. Furthermore, compared to 20 years ago, with the exception of sexual assualt, we live in a safer Australia as a whole. But you don't 'feel' safe do you...
Perhaps a non custodial sentence and a rehabilitation/psych assesment would be the best option for society and the alleged offender. He's still young and odds are this is his first offence.
Finally, the statement that issuing fake clearances to an aircraft is close to hijacking is interesting. Would love to hear the reasoning behind that.
Nevermind, all aboard the outrage bus, next stop, the lynching tree.
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Spot the leftist elite, preaching tolerance until losing an argument then lashing out. Name calling, putting anybody with a contrary viewpoint down.
Having trouble saving a deposit for your first house? Head down son, work a couple of jobs and buy outside of a 40k radius. Don't get involved in the politics of envy. You'll find your attitude changes for the better.
Having trouble saving a deposit for your first house? Head down son, work a couple of jobs and buy outside of a 40k radius. Don't get involved in the politics of envy. You'll find your attitude changes for the better.
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The actual cost is around $270 per day or an average of $295,168 for a three year sentence. ABC news Sep 17, 2015: source Ombudsman report. So I suspect my $100k estimate provided by the head of a prison, is accurate.
44.1% are re-offending within two years of release.
Corrections Victoria budget is $1.04b p/a]
44.1% are re-offending within two years of release.
Corrections Victoria budget is $1.04b p/a]
You need to quote the whole finding in the Ombudsman's report and account for infrastructure costs, not just direct costs.
"The cost of the prison system continues to spiral. Since 2011, the budget for correctional services in Victoria has risen by 31 per cent to $1.04 billion. And this excludes a further $670 million committed to the construction of the new Ravenhall Prison and the estimated $1.6 billion required to operate it for the following 25 years"
Depends how you look at it. When I look at the cost of a train fare to get into the city, I don't include the cost of the train :-)
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Yeh...but we are all paying for that train even though we aren't using it.
Is it appropriate to mention here the appalling lack of public transport services for most of us who reside in rural Victoria outside of the marginal seats?
I doubt the "tough on crime" brigade will ever be convinced of the futility of imprisoning the majority of offenders by arguments around better outcomes, but some of them might just understand a cost-efficiency one. The citizens of California finally came to that conclusion after their prisons nearly bankrupted them.
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Is it appropriate to mention here the appalling lack of public transport services for most of us who reside in rural Victoria outside of the marginal seats?
I doubt the "tough on crime" brigade will ever be convinced of the futility of imprisoning the majority of offenders by arguments around better outcomes, but some of them might just understand a cost-efficiency one. The citizens of California finally came to that conclusion after their prisons nearly bankrupted them.
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I'm with you Kaz. The majority of people in prison are there because of mental health issues, drug use as a result of mental health issues and property crime to support a drug habit as a result of mental health issues. The root cause is therefore a health system one.
Locking people up or transporting them was fashionable in 1788, pity we haven't moved on and become more sophisticated over two and a quarter centuries.
Whether it's cost or humanity the current system doesn't work, is unaffordable and relies on ever more prison capacity. The definition of stupidity is repeating the same thing and expecting a different outcome.
How did we get here in this thread?
Locking people up or transporting them was fashionable in 1788, pity we haven't moved on and become more sophisticated over two and a quarter centuries.
Whether it's cost or humanity the current system doesn't work, is unaffordable and relies on ever more prison capacity. The definition of stupidity is repeating the same thing and expecting a different outcome.
How did we get here in this thread?
Yeh...but we are all paying for that train even though we aren't using it.
Is it appropriate to mention here the appalling lack of public transport services for most of us who reside in rural Victoria outside of the marginal seats?
I doubt the "tough on crime" brigade will ever be convinced of the futility of imprisoning the majority of offenders by arguments around better outcomes, but some of them might just understand a cost-efficiency one. The citizens of California finally came to that conclusion after their prisons nearly bankrupted them.
Kaz
Is it appropriate to mention here the appalling lack of public transport services for most of us who reside in rural Victoria outside of the marginal seats?
I doubt the "tough on crime" brigade will ever be convinced of the futility of imprisoning the majority of offenders by arguments around better outcomes, but some of them might just understand a cost-efficiency one. The citizens of California finally came to that conclusion after their prisons nearly bankrupted them.
Kaz
In response to the question posed by Centaurus,
No, none of the many bogus transmitters in the late eighties were identified.
I know of several fake go round calls and personally heard someone jamming Darwin App on several occasions.
But no calls to "string him up".
I feel sorry for the kid in the latest incident. Anyone who has a connection to depression AND autism will not want to "string him up".
No, none of the many bogus transmitters in the late eighties were identified.
I know of several fake go round calls and personally heard someone jamming Darwin App on several occasions.
But no calls to "string him up".
I feel sorry for the kid in the latest incident. Anyone who has a connection to depression AND autism will not want to "string him up".
It was on the Channel 10 news a while ago. He is a former baggage handler & aspiring pilot. He wants to be released from prison because he is autistic & fears the prison system. Autistic or not, I am sure he knew what he was doing was wrong.
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He is a former baggage handler & aspiring pilot. He wants to be released from prison because he is autistic & fears the prison system.
Proven Tosser? Check!
Thinks he's a pilot? Check!
Full of shyte? Check!
Job at airline ratings awaits!
j3p - if it's not a deliberate and malicious attempt to control an aircraft then what is it? A fake instruction to change heading or level could easily put two aircraft in proximity, particularly in a TMA. Sure, they have TCAS but that's not the point. Lives are potentially at risk. Hijacking with a fake gun where there was no actual threat to life is still treated as a serious matter.
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Firstly, are you seriously suggesting that the airspace you control could be brought down by any idiot with a $300 transceiver? Because if you do, we should ban them. I mean look what happened after we banned high powered laser pointers. Completely stopped aircraft getting lasered didn't it...
Secondly, do you really think we just sit in the front and blindly follow everything you tell us to without question? Do you think we'd just plough into another aircraft because 'thats what approach told me to do?'.
Lives are at risk everytime we all sign on for work. Be it the lowest common denominator sitting up front (normally me), or the guy tired/stressed working two sectors in Zurich during a systems upgrade. The human factors internally within our industry are much more of a risk day to day than an idiot with a transceiver.
And there is a very discernable difference between hijacking with a weapon (albeit later proved to be false) and making bogus radio calls.
I think it was an immature teenager who was upset about losing their job and thought they would maybe inconvenience their former employer and cost them some money. I highly doubt this individual was out to take lives or cause harm.
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Firstly, are you seriously suggesting that the airspace you control could be brought down by any idiot with a $300 transceiver? Because if you do, we should ban them. I mean look what happened after we banned high powered laser pointers. Completely stopped aircraft getting lasered didn't it...
Secondly, do you really think we just sit in the front and blindly follow everything you tell us to without question? Do you think we'd just plough into another aircraft because 'thats what approach told me to do?'.
Lives are at risk everytime we all sign on for work. Be it the lowest common denominator sitting up front (normally me), or the guy tired/stressed working two sectors in Zurich during a systems upgrade. The human factors internally within our industry are much more of a risk day to day than an idiot with a transceiver.
And there is a very discernable difference between hijacking with a weapon (albeit later proved to be false) and making bogus radio calls.
I think it was an immature teenager who was upset about losing their job and thought they would maybe inconvenience their former employer and cost them some money. I highly doubt this individual was out to take lives or cause harm.
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J3,
Do you also "highly doubt" the guy with a laser is trying to cause harm? What about the abusive drunk mid-flight? The fella making bomb threats?
Young and stupid is no excuse for someone that not only SHOULD but DOES know better.
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Do you also "highly doubt" the guy with a laser is trying to cause harm? What about the abusive drunk mid-flight? The fella making bomb threats?
Young and stupid is no excuse for someone that not only SHOULD but DOES know better.
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I note that the bloke is being held without bail until December 16. According to my law enforcement friends, jail, even remand, is going to be quite a severe shock to this little flower. My suspicion is that when he is convicted he will get a suspended sentence and never be heard from again.
There is also the civil action question. I assume it would be possible for an airline to sue him for the costs of disruption and the go around.
I hope he has no emulators. Setting up authentication would be a PITA although I guess it could be done pretty quickly.
There is also the civil action question. I assume it would be possible for an airline to sue him for the costs of disruption and the go around.
I hope he has no emulators. Setting up authentication would be a PITA although I guess it could be done pretty quickly.
j3, an open microphone on a busy sector can cause more than enough mayhem.
No I don't think you blindly do what you're told but a bogus instruction is a layer or three of "Swiss cheese" removed. It certainly increases the risk.
No I don't think you blindly do what you're told but a bogus instruction is a layer or three of "Swiss cheese" removed. It certainly increases the risk.