On Being Hurried...
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On Being Hurried...
As I gradually obtain a very little experience, I am becoming sensitive to being hurried. There are two types of being hurried - on the ground and in the air. There are two agents that instigate the rush to complete - self imposed deadlines and those imposed by other people. They are all potentially deadly.
"Get there-itis" we should all already know about. This is caused by the pressure of events - the important appointment, the party, the train to catch. It can be imposed by passengers or subtly, by yourself and it can attack you both in the air and on the ground.
However, there are other forms I wish to mention because they can trip us up when we least expect it.
The commonest on the ground form is the hurried walk around caused by a distraction like a phone call, a "late" fuel truck or passenger, etc. but the effect is the same; we concentrate on what we think matters and miss things.
The one that is biting me at the moment is getting hurried in the air. I have spent a little time getting current again and specifically on high wing light sport aircraft that I am finding difficult to land in a crosswind because of their light weight and lack of momentum compared to a C172.
However I think i have traced a good chunk of that problem down to being hurried by instructors. It must be a real pain to have to sit in the circuit day after day and coax ham fisted idiots like me to perform. I don't have the patience to do it.
However what does not help is subtle, maybe even unnoticed pressure from instructors to do everything faster. This takes the form of demands for a tighter circuit, and what is especially annoying, the request for the earliest possible turn to base, which means that if you are not very quick with throttle and flaps you are going to arrive on final high, too fast, improperly trimmed and generally mentally unready to appreciate your situation.
This is not helped by the usual flying school requirement to add five to Ten knots to approach and threshold speeds….
The result is usually a very untidy arrival, float, bounce, you name it when an additional Thirty seconds on final would make things a lot more settled.
Of course we all want to do tight and efficient circuits, precise control of airspeed and attitude, etc., but that takes time to learn.
I wish instructors could perhaps put themselves in the students shoes a little more and try not to let their impatience show.
A further problem for inexperienced pilots is when they visit unfamiliar strips on their own and unconsciously try and do everything at the same hurried pace they were taught at YMMB. Luckily for me I only bounced once or twice and went around before realising that i needed to slow down and be far more deliberate in setting up my landings. However I still caught myself unconsciously responding to instructor pressure this month.
To put that another way,, Arkaroola is not Moorabbin, if you want to make it a five minute final, Doug is not going to bite you.
"Get there-itis" we should all already know about. This is caused by the pressure of events - the important appointment, the party, the train to catch. It can be imposed by passengers or subtly, by yourself and it can attack you both in the air and on the ground.
However, there are other forms I wish to mention because they can trip us up when we least expect it.
The commonest on the ground form is the hurried walk around caused by a distraction like a phone call, a "late" fuel truck or passenger, etc. but the effect is the same; we concentrate on what we think matters and miss things.
The one that is biting me at the moment is getting hurried in the air. I have spent a little time getting current again and specifically on high wing light sport aircraft that I am finding difficult to land in a crosswind because of their light weight and lack of momentum compared to a C172.
However I think i have traced a good chunk of that problem down to being hurried by instructors. It must be a real pain to have to sit in the circuit day after day and coax ham fisted idiots like me to perform. I don't have the patience to do it.
However what does not help is subtle, maybe even unnoticed pressure from instructors to do everything faster. This takes the form of demands for a tighter circuit, and what is especially annoying, the request for the earliest possible turn to base, which means that if you are not very quick with throttle and flaps you are going to arrive on final high, too fast, improperly trimmed and generally mentally unready to appreciate your situation.
This is not helped by the usual flying school requirement to add five to Ten knots to approach and threshold speeds….
The result is usually a very untidy arrival, float, bounce, you name it when an additional Thirty seconds on final would make things a lot more settled.
Of course we all want to do tight and efficient circuits, precise control of airspeed and attitude, etc., but that takes time to learn.
I wish instructors could perhaps put themselves in the students shoes a little more and try not to let their impatience show.
A further problem for inexperienced pilots is when they visit unfamiliar strips on their own and unconsciously try and do everything at the same hurried pace they were taught at YMMB. Luckily for me I only bounced once or twice and went around before realising that i needed to slow down and be far more deliberate in setting up my landings. However I still caught myself unconsciously responding to instructor pressure this month.
To put that another way,, Arkaroola is not Moorabbin, if you want to make it a five minute final, Doug is not going to bite you.
This is not helped by the usual flying school requirement to add five to Ten knots to approach and threshold speeds….
Which is a prolific contributor to landing accidents.
Tootle pip!!
Like it or not Sunfish, the cockpit is a fast paced environment.
Just look at the crosswind landings in this video:
https://youtu.be/yGMI5hKFJVY
Just look at the crosswind landings in this video:
https://youtu.be/yGMI5hKFJVY
The best part of that video is how the student is frantically "chasing" the aircraft with big control movements, then after the instructor says to lay off, the aircraft keeps flying normally as it was before hence demonstrating that it didn't need correcting.
This is not helped by the usual flying school requirement to add five to Ten knots to approach and threshold speeds….
If these kinds of things are happening, it just goes to show, again, the yawning chasm between the rhetoric around the regulatory "reform" program and reality. Tens of thousands of pages of regulations and Manuals of Standards, yet the blind are still leading the blind.
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A tight circuit is a good circuit; nothing more embarrassing than an engine failure on late downwind and not making it back.
I've had instructors spring engine failures on me when they thought I was drifting too far out in the circuit.
I've had instructors spring engine failures on me when they thought I was drifting too far out in the circuit.
Same stupid mentatality that some people have when they get behind the wheel of their car. Driving around over the speed limit in built up areas to save a minute or maybe two. They don't think about the increased risk of having an accident or running over a child.
Sunny, just operate at a pace that you are happy with. If not just do what I do, loose my mind, get out of the cockpit and say, right your the expert get in here and you fly this thing and I'll go home. Old age has made me very intolerant of fast pace people.
Sunny, just operate at a pace that you are happy with. If not just do what I do, loose my mind, get out of the cockpit and say, right your the expert get in here and you fly this thing and I'll go home. Old age has made me very intolerant of fast pace people.
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Duck and others, I have no problems doing things fast and efficiently when it is called for, we all have to do that. What I was noticing perhaps for the first time in the air, how hurrying stuff, for whatever reason, sets you up for failure.
I see this a lot in on the water docking situations with boats - people charge at the dock without briefing their crew, setting up their dock lines and fenders for instant use and mentally rehearsing their escape plan. The usual result is screams of 'fend off!" in a high pitched voice from the skipper often followed by the sound of an expensive crash arrival.
What I've realised is that some authority figures invite inexperienced drivers to hurry and too many take the bait.
I see this a lot in on the water docking situations with boats - people charge at the dock without briefing their crew, setting up their dock lines and fenders for instant use and mentally rehearsing their escape plan. The usual result is screams of 'fend off!" in a high pitched voice from the skipper often followed by the sound of an expensive crash arrival.
What I've realised is that some authority figures invite inexperienced drivers to hurry and too many take the bait.
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Whatever happened to the concept of a "Stabilised" approach?
Lead ballon hits the nail on the head. So many times we see on these threads pilots expressing their frustration of trying to interpret what the myriad volumes of what passes as regulation in this country actually means or intends.
The same basic principles are no less important or different today as they were 50 years ago, so why is it these principles have been corrupted in the modern era?
When one looks at the experience and qualifications of those that regulate and those that teach the art of committing aviation, there maybe lies the answer.
The impatience of youth leads to this frantic desire to "Get there", the old joke of the old bull and the young bull is so poignant.
Aircraft manufacturers go to a whole heap of trouble and expense to produce figures and procedures for safe operation of the aircraft they make, why the hell do these people think they know better?
Lead ballon hits the nail on the head. So many times we see on these threads pilots expressing their frustration of trying to interpret what the myriad volumes of what passes as regulation in this country actually means or intends.
The same basic principles are no less important or different today as they were 50 years ago, so why is it these principles have been corrupted in the modern era?
When one looks at the experience and qualifications of those that regulate and those that teach the art of committing aviation, there maybe lies the answer.
The impatience of youth leads to this frantic desire to "Get there", the old joke of the old bull and the young bull is so poignant.
Aircraft manufacturers go to a whole heap of trouble and expense to produce figures and procedures for safe operation of the aircraft they make, why the hell do these people think they know better?
Thorn bird, I don't believe that they all mean to come across as thinking they know better, often it feels like they take the figures from the book as being safe and like to add a little extra on for "Extra Safety". You have to admit it's not that foolish an idea, but perhaps often just not thought through all the way? It doesn't help when there are things in the POH/POMs etc.. that don't make sense or are just plain wrong, often it erodes peoples trust in the rest of what is printed, rightly or wrongly that is a part of human behaviour, people do things that they "Feel" work better or give better results but lack any actual evidence and forget to consider the penalties their new procedures incur.
Oh the original subject I couldn't agree more with you Sunfish, it can be a problem these days that Instructors feel bored and frustrated, some are just there to get their hours and get the hell out again, some have been there for too long and are only looking ahead now. This is not to say they're all like that, there are of course brilliant instructors who actually enjoy what they're doing but our own industry creates the problem of guiding people into Instructor roles with the promise of a first quick job without having to leave the comfort of the School they learnt in or the uncertainty of when they'll get a job elsewhere and they bend themselves to fit the idea of what they think they need to be whether they're actually that way or not.
Oh the original subject I couldn't agree more with you Sunfish, it can be a problem these days that Instructors feel bored and frustrated, some are just there to get their hours and get the hell out again, some have been there for too long and are only looking ahead now. This is not to say they're all like that, there are of course brilliant instructors who actually enjoy what they're doing but our own industry creates the problem of guiding people into Instructor roles with the promise of a first quick job without having to leave the comfort of the School they learnt in or the uncertainty of when they'll get a job elsewhere and they bend themselves to fit the idea of what they think they need to be whether they're actually that way or not.
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An interesting post.
The other day I flew some elderly people to a small airstrip on a charter. Some of them were nervous. We took everything slowly. The flight was explained to them on the ground before we took off. It took about 10 minutes. Having been raised by my Grandparents I tried very hard to be respectful to them. They asked good questions and we all entered the aircraft like a team or family with a common purpose.
I flew better for having verbalized the flight before we took off. Afterwards the people complemented the flight. They said they had never had such a professional flight, but what perhaps they meant is they hadn't really been respected before being flown. It would be nice if todays instructors can appreciate how fortunate they are to be able to fly.
10 minutes of slowly talking about what we will do, and visualizing it, before we even step in the aircraft, leads to better performance.
It is an absolute honor to be able to fly and a blessing to be able to share that with others.
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The other day I flew some elderly people to a small airstrip on a charter. Some of them were nervous. We took everything slowly. The flight was explained to them on the ground before we took off. It took about 10 minutes. Having been raised by my Grandparents I tried very hard to be respectful to them. They asked good questions and we all entered the aircraft like a team or family with a common purpose.
I flew better for having verbalized the flight before we took off. Afterwards the people complemented the flight. They said they had never had such a professional flight, but what perhaps they meant is they hadn't really been respected before being flown. It would be nice if todays instructors can appreciate how fortunate they are to be able to fly.
10 minutes of slowly talking about what we will do, and visualizing it, before we even step in the aircraft, leads to better performance.
It is an absolute honor to be able to fly and a blessing to be able to share that with others.
Keep the Faith.
OK I'll defend Ye Olde instructor! I did 2 years training ab-initio at BFTS, and 2 years teaching instructors course at CFS in the RAAF. The concepts are the same.
Both flight reviews & teaching a syllabus have certain things to cover and time is a factor. If your instructor has actually thought about the lesson, she has broken it up into maybe 4 different things to teach and allocated time, with 5-10 minutes flex to fix any problem areas before moving along. If the instructor is any good, they will have briefed the key concepts on the ground and introduced any phrases or words they will use airborne; this will save a lot of time airborne. They will also have picked a couple of common errors and showed you how to fix them *on the ground* so you know what they're talking about.
Then airborne, you're in the circuit and having some problems with maintaining an accurate aim point on final. I want to re-demo what a nice fixed aim point looks like, then have enough time to talk you through one and see 1-2 more.
If you're doing 747 circuits, we'll do 2 circuits and run out of time. There's less learning opportunity and we're still burning dollars.
If you're with the instructor, there is an inherent safety net (assuming they know what they're doing and it's not blind freddy with 50 hrs!!!), so what they SHOULD be doing is offloading tasks such as radio, engine management & situational awareness (as required) to allow you to concentrate on the bit that needs work.
So if you want to use your time efficiently, allow them to push you outside your comfort zone, do tight circuits to get 6x instead of 3x in. However if they see you breaking down, they should be offloading tasks and doing some good demo's so you can mimic the core concepts.
Then when you're on your own, fill your boots and take all the time you need and use some of the new skills you just learned.
P.S. Please don't fly wide circuits anyway; you should always be able to glide it in from downwind
Both flight reviews & teaching a syllabus have certain things to cover and time is a factor. If your instructor has actually thought about the lesson, she has broken it up into maybe 4 different things to teach and allocated time, with 5-10 minutes flex to fix any problem areas before moving along. If the instructor is any good, they will have briefed the key concepts on the ground and introduced any phrases or words they will use airborne; this will save a lot of time airborne. They will also have picked a couple of common errors and showed you how to fix them *on the ground* so you know what they're talking about.
Then airborne, you're in the circuit and having some problems with maintaining an accurate aim point on final. I want to re-demo what a nice fixed aim point looks like, then have enough time to talk you through one and see 1-2 more.
If you're doing 747 circuits, we'll do 2 circuits and run out of time. There's less learning opportunity and we're still burning dollars.
If you're with the instructor, there is an inherent safety net (assuming they know what they're doing and it's not blind freddy with 50 hrs!!!), so what they SHOULD be doing is offloading tasks such as radio, engine management & situational awareness (as required) to allow you to concentrate on the bit that needs work.
So if you want to use your time efficiently, allow them to push you outside your comfort zone, do tight circuits to get 6x instead of 3x in. However if they see you breaking down, they should be offloading tasks and doing some good demo's so you can mimic the core concepts.
Then when you're on your own, fill your boots and take all the time you need and use some of the new skills you just learned.
P.S. Please don't fly wide circuits anyway; you should always be able to glide it in from downwind
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Shagpile is on the money. The issue is not whether you are being pushed and going faster. The issue is whether the person doing the pushing is doing it in an intelligent way. Do they have the skills and capacity to determine whether you are ahead of or behind the aircraft? Do they know how to manage your workload so you get the maximum value for your hours?
I get far more out of flight reviews when I'm sweating and on the edge of my capability than when I'm loafing along. I get far more out of circuits on a bush strip at 300 feet than I do out of trundling around a wide circuit - 5 or 6 an hour.
I'm all for a bit of intelligent speed. I'm not much interested in clowns who can't understand where the mug (me) in the left hand seat is up to.
I get far more out of flight reviews when I'm sweating and on the edge of my capability than when I'm loafing along. I get far more out of circuits on a bush strip at 300 feet than I do out of trundling around a wide circuit - 5 or 6 an hour.
I'm all for a bit of intelligent speed. I'm not much interested in clowns who can't understand where the mug (me) in the left hand seat is up to.