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Old 16th Sep 2016, 03:07
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Heard on the grapevine that an Australian company has won a contract to supply Baro vnav approaches to selected airfields in PNG. Apparently some of the aerodromes have high elevations which will make approaches in IMC testing.
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Old 16th Sep 2016, 11:10
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They will need to use pilots with some PNG recency and in country experience for the challenging aerodromes with aircraft that have the performance - if not they will kill themselves. Assume this is an AusAID/Airservices Australia project.

What are the aerodromes with Baro VNAV approaches being assessed?

There are a few good GA operators up there who could provide an aircraft and pilot/s to do the flight calibration.
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Old 16th Sep 2016, 11:29
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Interesting first post from keroforever.
Maybe some self interest involved here!
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Old 16th Sep 2016, 22:19
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31 aerodromes, GNSS LNAV and Baro VNAV where possible.

http://png.embassy.gov.au/pmsb/494.html
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Old 17th Sep 2016, 00:43
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And in return Australia gets to keep Manus Island open for another 12 months or so 🤑🤑🤑
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Old 17th Sep 2016, 01:52
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I'm guessing there's little or no infrastructure at some locations. Where is the QNH source for the Baro input on the Baro VNAV being supplied from?

Sounds like another example where an SBAS solution would be a far better option.
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Old 17th Sep 2016, 02:00
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Manus has been "currency" for some time.

Air Niugini's F-28 operation into Australia up until 2004 would not have been possible without Australia's access to Manus.

John Howard was the deal maker.

Air Niugini Fokker F28 - Last Cairns flight
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Old 17th Sep 2016, 04:36
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Sounds like another example where an SBAS solution would be a far better option.
31 stations, say $10k each for accurate QNH source for Baro VNAV, verses a few (10s?) millions for satellites and infrastructure for SBAS.
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Old 17th Sep 2016, 12:32
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Bloggs, it's not the initial outlay, it's the upkeep. The sats are already up there.
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Old 17th Sep 2016, 15:37
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Folks,
Anybody know which company got the job?
Tootle pip!!
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Old 18th Sep 2016, 01:11
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Bloggs, it's not the initial outlay, it's the upkeep. The sats are already up there.
I wish that were true, but I'm pretty certain it isn't..

The SBAS payload, if installed on an existing geostationary satellite mission is estimated at $30M. CASA is currently investigating
alternatives. For a short time in 2010/11, there was an opportunity for Australia to install an SBAS payload on the NBN satellites for $30M. New secondary payload opportunities must now be identified. Possibilities include Inmarsat.
Source: http://www.spaceindustry.com.au/Docu...20-%20SBAS.pdf

(Prof. Andrew Dempster, UNSW) 2015
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Old 18th Sep 2016, 01:32
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IDS Australasia. Reportedly contract is for $1.8m for the 31 aerodromes and training. Absolutely no self interest here Captain Fathom. Just something I heard
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Old 22nd Sep 2016, 11:49
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31 aerodromes (potentially 62 procedures - one to each end)
Flight validation of all procedures
5 years of maintenance on all procedures
Paying for CASA Part173 certification (if you don't already have it)
Training of the controllers
All that for 1.8M
And you must accept PNG Law.
That's a bargain.
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