Where is the Cobham/AMSA SAR Challenger 604???
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Been eating popcorn on the sidelines on this one, but josephfeatherweight has a valid point.
Seems many are questioning the capability and readiness of the new incumbent, who some admirers are giving sycophantantic support, as the argument to dismiss of the question of readiness or capability
I have no dog in this fight, and have friends on both sides of thisfence, but seriously, is there any employer out there that deserves the support some here are giving this one, to the point of almost gleefully saying some guys were not up to the task of getting onboard.
Never ever seen the perfect employer, nor seen the perfect aircraft for a task....that is once a bean counter has got involved in what the aircraft is tasked to do.
Hopefully there is some sort of trolling going on, otherwise the conversation (IMHO) seems a little lower than normal banter/arguement that occurs here.
Seems many are questioning the capability and readiness of the new incumbent, who some admirers are giving sycophantantic support, as the argument to dismiss of the question of readiness or capability
I have no dog in this fight, and have friends on both sides of thisfence, but seriously, is there any employer out there that deserves the support some here are giving this one, to the point of almost gleefully saying some guys were not up to the task of getting onboard.
Never ever seen the perfect employer, nor seen the perfect aircraft for a task....that is once a bean counter has got involved in what the aircraft is tasked to do.
Hopefully there is some sort of trolling going on, otherwise the conversation (IMHO) seems a little lower than normal banter/arguement that occurs here.
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Dashunder, you and FMT AB have made a significant number of posts on this topic, a number which goes beyond a casual disappointment with the contract development process. You say it's not due to missing out on a job; so what is your real motivation in denigrating this operation at every turn? It's hard to believe it's a case of tax-payer anger and not a personal grudge.
Why are you so affected and bothered by Cobham's SAR contract that you look for every possible sign of underperformance or failure?
Be honest.
Why are you so affected and bothered by Cobham's SAR contract that you look for every possible sign of underperformance or failure?
Be honest.
I hope I am proven wrong but Search and Rescue (SAR) is about peoples lives and the longer this goes on the closer we will get to the loss of life, who knows lives might already have been lost due to this.
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Apparently the base is late, that is noted numerous times. So what? Move on
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Eclan, if you contracted a builder to build a house for a certain price so you can move in on a certain day and it wasn't ready would you feel ripped off? How about if you find that the contractor couldn't get enough bricklayers, or if the doors werent big enough for entry as per your agreement, is this now your problem, you did have an agreement in writing with a reputable contractor and they assured you this wouldn't happen. But hang on, half the appliances you contracted for were not fitted or didn't work in the fashion agreed, and the roof leaks. Do you just accept this standard.
Wouldnt you rather tear up the contract and start the process again making sure you learnt from your mistake and end up with a product on time that fits your specification after all a deal is a deal,If you don't do that you have no option but to live in that dodgy house.
The point is this is a SAR contract for the best part of a billion dollars, how many " professional " aviators out there have seen such a high profile, important, complex aviation solution run so late without a compliant solution in sight and without any repercussions , a couple of complete clusters in the military come to mind but very uncommon.
People need to be held to account, that's what is expected of Pilots, Engineers and SAR crew.
Seems to me that you want to make this personal, just stick to the facts and be nice:-D
Wouldnt you rather tear up the contract and start the process again making sure you learnt from your mistake and end up with a product on time that fits your specification after all a deal is a deal,If you don't do that you have no option but to live in that dodgy house.
The point is this is a SAR contract for the best part of a billion dollars, how many " professional " aviators out there have seen such a high profile, important, complex aviation solution run so late without a compliant solution in sight and without any repercussions , a couple of complete clusters in the military come to mind but very uncommon.
People need to be held to account, that's what is expected of Pilots, Engineers and SAR crew.
Seems to me that you want to make this personal, just stick to the facts and be nice:-D
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FMTAfterburn,
You have a strong point there....Have a look when MH370 took place and when the contracts were awarded...There was at least a two month delay from the get go on the signing of contracts...As I keep stating, the boys are doing a great job and believe me the 604 platform will work...Drops are finalised and simplistic. Its just final testing on certain equipment. Keep in mind there is still Dorniers online and Tier 2,3 and 4 aircraft available..
You have a strong point there....Have a look when MH370 took place and when the contracts were awarded...There was at least a two month delay from the get go on the signing of contracts...As I keep stating, the boys are doing a great job and believe me the 604 platform will work...Drops are finalised and simplistic. Its just final testing on certain equipment. Keep in mind there is still Dorniers online and Tier 2,3 and 4 aircraft available..
Moot point here, but out of curiosity are the Dorniers that are bumped off contract still being paid on standby by AMSA under a short term gap coverage agreement or have they packed up the machines and are no longer available?
For clarification I don't consider a machine as available unless it's contracted to be on standby with crew on-site/re-call etc, call when needed doesn't count.
For clarification I don't consider a machine as available unless it's contracted to be on standby with crew on-site/re-call etc, call when needed doesn't count.
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No Sar jets
Moot point here, but out of curiosity are the Dorniers that are bumped off contract still being paid on standby by AMSA under a short term gap coverage agreement or have they packed up the machines and are no longer available?
For clarification I don't consider a machine as available unless it's contracted to be on standby with crew on-site/re-call etc, call when needed doesn't count.
For clarification I don't consider a machine as available unless it's contracted to be on standby with crew on-site/re-call etc, call when needed doesn't count.
The Aerorescue cairns base has now closed.
There is no longer SAR coverage in WA or FNQ, there are NO jets, let alone something that can drop. Clearly Cobham are in breach of contract. Why is this acceptable, the mind boggles.
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Interestly a second Dornier landed in Cairns today, I wonder why??
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Re post 100, and for all you aviators, let me put this in perspective, whether you fly a 172 or a 737, if you ditch, or have a forced landing, or of you activate an Elt for any reason up until recently an aircraft would be airborne within 30 mins by day and 60 mins by night. Depending on the circumstances your position would be isolated by DF then if you needed a raft, a satphone, water, first aid, or survival equipment that would be dropped to you, generally landing a few meters away at worst.this has been the case for ten years. Today, no.
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