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Old 20th Aug 2016, 06:40
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I trust they threw in a couple of slabs of Coopers.
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From the Adelaide 'Advertiser' :

Marree Hotel owners Phil and Maz Turner and William Creek Hotel owner Trevor Wright joined forces, and funds, to breathe new life into the Marree Man.
Mr Turner said the restoration was done with the blessing of the Arabana Aboriginal Corporation.
“We decided to do something about it, so the Marree Man is back,” Mr Turner said.
“We didn’t really get any (government) permission — we just did it — but there were a lot of people aware of it.”
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Mr Turner said the restoration was done with the blessing of the Arabana Aboriginal Corporation.
Hmmm, what about the Dieri aboriginal corporation - who are the other "tribe" in that area?

“We didn’t really get any (government) permission — we just did it — but there were a lot of people aware of it.”
Just shows his arrogance. I listened to the interview he did with the ABC & he said restoring it has brought back the myth & mystery surrounding it. What an idiot - there's no myth or mystery now because everyone know who done it!

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Oh come on, DF!

The short term environmental destruction caused is so minimal and has no comparison to the massive land clearing that continues particularly in Qld. Surely it may help tourism to S.A. as this is now news around the world? With the jobless figure there, anything must help..

If the publicans of both the Marree and William Creek Hotels end up in gaol over this, then I promise to visit them there with gifts.
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The short term environmental destruction caused is so minimal and has no comparison to the massive land clearing that continues particularly in Qld.
The simple fact remains, the land clearing in QLD - some of which, is undesirable for the long-term - is currently, completely legal.

Protestors against the clearing in QLD are seeking to have the QLD clearing laws changed, and stricter limits placed on the clearing.

The difference is - the re-instating of the Marree Man is illegal, and the original etching was illegal.
The basic problem is, that no-one with any standing in the community has carried out a verifiable, properly researched, cost-benefit study on the etching.

All proposed developments and land-use alterations are subject to cost-benefit studies - and then those studies are scrutinised to pick the holes in them, and to see if the community as a whole, benefits.

If the benefit of the proposed development/land-use change is limited to just a few people, and the rest of the community ends up picking up the tab for the major cost of supporting the development (or repairing the damage caused), then the development/land-use change is scrubbed.

What a lot of people are forgetting here is that mining companies are obliged (as in the case of the authorised pipeline), to put up environmental bonds - sometimes running into millions of dollars.

If the company then goes bankrupt, or discontinues, or ceases its mining operations - the environmental bond money is then taken by the likes of the EPA, and the money is then used to rehabilitate any damage to the area utilised by the company for their operation.

In this manner, no burden for environmental rehabilitation, or the repair of environmental damage, is placed on the rest of the nations long-suffering taxpayers.

These two publicans, if found guilty of environmental destruction and violation of other important laws, may find they are not only facing heavy fines - they may find they will be ordered to rehabilitate the area to the satisfaction of the EPA and the Aboriginal landowners - at their cost.

My Stepdaughter is involved in overseeing obedience to environmental laws by a sizeable oil and gas company (for whom she works) at Moomba.
She tells me that even the slightest amount of environmental damage by the oil and gas company - such as even the tiniest oil spill - will incur a major investigation by the EPA, and bring great wrath and draconian penalties upon the company. These people make CASA look positively benevolent.
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If the publicans of both the Marree and William Creek Hotels end up in gaol over this, then I promise to visit them there with gifts.
Peanuts?

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Too late...
Marree Man restored as outback tourist attraction in far north SA - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
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Too late...
Marree Man restored as outback tourist attraction in far north SA - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
I really don't think it's going to attract any more tourism than what is already going on up there. I can remember back to when the original one was first discovered - people only went to have a look at it because it was on the way up to look at the lake. I used to have the co-ords written on the front of the Avgas bowser!

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onetrack wrote:

"What a lot of people are forgetting here is that mining companies are obliged (as in the case of the authorised pipeline), to put up environmental bonds - sometimes running into millions of dollars."

Myself and friends very recently flew over the massive (now closed) coal mine near Leigh Creek. I wonder what rehabilitation will be carried out there? Will the mining company fill it in so that it looks as it originally was?

The naughtiness of the publicans re-gouging the Marree Man, by comparison, simply pales into insignificance.
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I wonder what rehabilitation will be carried out there? Will the mining company fill it in so that it looks as it originally was?
Gerry, it is being rehabilitated but to what extent I don't know. I doubt if it will ever look like it did originally. Also, the retention dam wall was supposed to be breached upon the mine closure letting the water into the pit - can you imagine what that would have done? Even now with a north wind we still cop sulphur fumes.

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gerry111 - You're comparing apples with oranges. Leigh Creek has been a coalmine for over 100 years. The short-sighted mining techniques of even 50 years ago, are what has led to huge waste dumps and large holes.
In recent years, the waste rock has been dumped back into mined-out areas, to reduce environmental impact.

The financial benefit from the Leigh Creek coal production over the last 100 years has run into the hundreds of billions of dollars - in wages paid, machinery purchased, taxes paid, cheap power generated.
In addition, monies have been hypothecated from huge mining royalties, to go towards rehabilitation of the open pits.

I don't know how you can compare the two events. One operation has been fully approved and 100% legal since its inception - the other operation has been totally unapproved, and 100% illegal since its inception.
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should have done it, and lept their mouths shut, to perpepuate the mystery, how did it get there? who did it and how? its all part of the story people will go out there to try and find out, but admitting to redoing marree man ruins the mystery.
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But we have no first-hand evidence of who committed either atrocity...
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"Atrocity"
Love that word, LB. Thank you.
In the real scheme of things, well...
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Stanwell,

I've known a particular GA pilot friend for a long time. I strongly suspect he / she may indeed be 'Lead Balloon'? I'm probably wrong with the identity but that person certainly understands good humour..
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I think that Stanwell may be making the observation, with which I completely agree, that there are things worth worrying about in this veil of tears.

The negative environmental and societal consequences of the Marree Man aren't among them.
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Well, we'll see what those publicans have to say when they're confronted with satellite imagery by the DEWNR and NVC, showing unauthorised native vegetation destruction - and the agents of these two Depts ask, "where is their consent for approval to clear native vegetation?"

Environment S.A. - native vegetation

The penalty for clearing native vegetation in S.A. without approval is a minimum fine of $100,000. If they end up fighting charges in the courts, the lawyers will be soaking up many tens of thousands as well.
There'd better be some money in that tourism game.

Environment S.A. - managing natural resources

Environment S.A. - change detection program

S.A. - NATIVE VEGETATION ACT 1991
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I suspect their response will be: "Where is your evidence to prove that we did it?"
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Originally Posted by Lead Balloon
I suspect their response will be: "Where is your evidence to prove that we did it?"
Shouldn't be too hard to do, considering they've admitted to it in the papers, over the radio, & on Facebook!

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We shall see...
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