Differences between Australian and New Zealand Aviation Rules.
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Differences between Australian and New Zealand Aviation Rules.
New Zealand is a small mountains island nation with inclement weather.
Australia is a large continental land mass with good weather.
What differences are there in the aviation rules of the two nations?
1. Single Engine RPT Ops : NZCAA allows : CASA prohibits
2. Single Engine IFR : NZCAA allows* :CASA prohibits
3. IFR ADBS : NZCAA does not require : CASA requires now**
4. VFR ADBS : NZCAA does not require : CASA requires in 2019
5. Overseas users of the Rules : NZCAA : PNG, Vanuatu, Samoa, Solomon Islands, Tonga, Kiribati : CASA : no one
* Cessna Caravan and Piltaus PC12
** RAAF allowed to operate without ADSB
Australia is a large continental land mass with good weather.
What differences are there in the aviation rules of the two nations?
1. Single Engine RPT Ops : NZCAA allows : CASA prohibits
2. Single Engine IFR : NZCAA allows* :CASA prohibits
3. IFR ADBS : NZCAA does not require : CASA requires now**
4. VFR ADBS : NZCAA does not require : CASA requires in 2019
5. Overseas users of the Rules : NZCAA : PNG, Vanuatu, Samoa, Solomon Islands, Tonga, Kiribati : CASA : no one
* Cessna Caravan and Piltaus PC12
** RAAF allowed to operate without ADSB
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You forgot to mention,
The Kiwi regs you can carry in one hand.
The Australian reg's you need two shipping containers.
Kiwi reg's achieve equivalent safety outcomes to the USA, statistically the safest country to fly in.
Australian reg's achieve so called safety by limiting participation. Statistically Australia is no safer than the USA and arguably less safe.
Kiwi reg's are aligned with the USA where most of our aircraft and equipment comes from.
Australian reg's don't align with anyone, not even the Authority they are allegedly modelled on.
The Kiwi reg's were completed in around two years and cost about five million $$$.
Australian reg's have taken thirty years and have cost about half a billion $$$ so far, and still not complete.
By the time they are complete, if ever, there will be no industry left for them to apply to.
Kiwi reg's are written in plain English so every one can understand them.
Australian reg's are written in legalise and not even the lawyers can understand them.
Kiwi reg's foster and promote their industry.
Australian reg's kill it.
Kiwi reg's are by and large ICAO compliant.
Australian reg's are not even close given the number of pages of differences.
Kiwi reg's are a mature rule set adopted by many in our region.
Australian reg's are mostly regarded as a joke around the world.
Kiwi reg's operate under the rule of law and just culture.
Australian reg's operate under the law of CAsA, just culture is an anathema to them.
The Kiwi regs you can carry in one hand.
The Australian reg's you need two shipping containers.
Kiwi reg's achieve equivalent safety outcomes to the USA, statistically the safest country to fly in.
Australian reg's achieve so called safety by limiting participation. Statistically Australia is no safer than the USA and arguably less safe.
Kiwi reg's are aligned with the USA where most of our aircraft and equipment comes from.
Australian reg's don't align with anyone, not even the Authority they are allegedly modelled on.
The Kiwi reg's were completed in around two years and cost about five million $$$.
Australian reg's have taken thirty years and have cost about half a billion $$$ so far, and still not complete.
By the time they are complete, if ever, there will be no industry left for them to apply to.
Kiwi reg's are written in plain English so every one can understand them.
Australian reg's are written in legalise and not even the lawyers can understand them.
Kiwi reg's foster and promote their industry.
Australian reg's kill it.
Kiwi reg's are by and large ICAO compliant.
Australian reg's are not even close given the number of pages of differences.
Kiwi reg's are a mature rule set adopted by many in our region.
Australian reg's are mostly regarded as a joke around the world.
Kiwi reg's operate under the rule of law and just culture.
Australian reg's operate under the law of CAsA, just culture is an anathema to them.
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Thank you for your detailed reply Thorn Bird.
It makes for sad reading, but there is always hope.
May I ask if anyone knows which countries use the NZCAA rules and which countries use the Australian CASA rules please?
It makes for sad reading, but there is always hope.
May I ask if anyone knows which countries use the NZCAA rules and which countries use the Australian CASA rules please?
Statistically Australia is no safer than the USA and arguably less safe.
Not arguable, a simple fact, and by a large margin, when comparing like with like, and not using the manufactured/doctored definitions used to guild the lilly here.
And this includes airlines, as well as GA.
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Quoting from New Southern Sky
"ADS-B mandates have not been issued; however this should be planned for and equipment choices should be aligned.
The NAANP proposes that all aircraft operating above FL245 must have operational ADS-B capability from 31 December 2018, extending to all aircraft operating in all controlled airspace from the end of 2021."
From the looks of things if you want to fly in any controlled airspace over here IFR or VFR ADS-B required.
"ADS-B mandates have not been issued; however this should be planned for and equipment choices should be aligned.
The NAANP proposes that all aircraft operating above FL245 must have operational ADS-B capability from 31 December 2018, extending to all aircraft operating in all controlled airspace from the end of 2021."
From the looks of things if you want to fly in any controlled airspace over here IFR or VFR ADS-B required.
May I ask if anyone knows which countries use the NZCAA rules and which countries use the Australian CASA rules please?
PNG
Vanuatu
Samoa
Solomon Islands
Tonga
Kiribati
.............plus NZ of course.
Users of Australian rules
PNG used to, but switched to NZ rules. Says it all really.
.............some Aussies use Australian rules, but not by choice.
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Chimbu,
I have heard Mongolia has or is adopting NZ rules.
There are also states in the Caribbean interested in adopting the NZ rule set, which are after all, "Modernised" FAR's.
EASA virtually wiped out general aviation in Europe, they are only now trying to rewrite them. Maybe that is why we, after making a start modelling ours on the US reg's before we abruptly stopped and went the other way, are fulfilling a publicly stated aim of a senior CAsA person that he preferred GA to be wiped out.
Those early rules are the only successful ones we have ever written.
I have heard Mongolia has or is adopting NZ rules.
There are also states in the Caribbean interested in adopting the NZ rule set, which are after all, "Modernised" FAR's.
EASA virtually wiped out general aviation in Europe, they are only now trying to rewrite them. Maybe that is why we, after making a start modelling ours on the US reg's before we abruptly stopped and went the other way, are fulfilling a publicly stated aim of a senior CAsA person that he preferred GA to be wiped out.
Those early rules are the only successful ones we have ever written.
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Thanks all.
Was there some discussion a ways back about how a qualified instructor in NZ can do flight instructing without an AOC but in OZ an AOC is needed?
Was there some discussion a ways back about how a qualified instructor in NZ can do flight instructing without an AOC but in OZ an AOC is needed?
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And I heard that Australia funded the adoption of the NZ regulations in PNG, under a foreign aid grant?
Couldn't we all just apply for NZ Registrations for our Aircraft and get the LAMEs to join in as well with their Qualifications? Might be hard for CASA to claim to be superior when everyone starts walking away from them!
Thats what everyone has to do !! Walk away. CAsA is irrelevant and destructive to the industry....SO, a mass walk out is a MUST.
Taily. Highly paid CAsA "consultants" were in the PNG change oever trough
Taily. Highly paid CAsA "consultants" were in the PNG change oever trough
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Bolts, Singapore is the only 100% ICAO compliant country in the world.
I think that they figured as they were spending vast amounts of money each year supporting ICAO, instead of ignoring ICAO doctrine, it would be more cost effective to simply accept their direction instead of pissing about wasting their citizens money trying to develop their own version.
My god a revelation, ICAO does know what it is talking about, aircraft are not falling out of the sky everywhere, its actually perfectly safe to fly into Singapore.
I think that they figured as they were spending vast amounts of money each year supporting ICAO, instead of ignoring ICAO doctrine, it would be more cost effective to simply accept their direction instead of pissing about wasting their citizens money trying to develop their own version.
My god a revelation, ICAO does know what it is talking about, aircraft are not falling out of the sky everywhere, its actually perfectly safe to fly into Singapore.
So now at an airport nearby, a major regional centre, an instructor has been waiting since November last to recommence the flying school after paying $8000 up front in Feb or March. The previous incumbent left to work for CASA. In the US this instructor would have been earning and teaching immediately. CASA or whatever it was called at the time, has been toying with the idea of independent instructors teaching without AOC or other like such instrument (let's keep changing the terminology to obfuscate and maintain confusion while hiding the awful truth) for at least 30 years. Last advice from Mr. Skidmore went something like this...'our training system is so good we can't afford to risk change'...
We really should prevent all those visiting US pilots from sullying our skies, about 70% of whom were trained by instructors without AOC, its got to be too risky.
Bolts, Singapore is the only 100% ICAO compliant country in the world.
I think that they figured as they were spending vast amounts of money each year supporting ICAO, instead of ignoring ICAO doctrine, it would be more cost effective to simply accept their direction instead of pissing about wasting their citizens money trying to develop their own version.
My god a revelation, ICAO does know what it is talking about, aircraft are not falling out of the sky everywhere, its actually perfectly safe to fly into Singapore.
I think that they figured as they were spending vast amounts of money each year supporting ICAO, instead of ignoring ICAO doctrine, it would be more cost effective to simply accept their direction instead of pissing about wasting their citizens money trying to develop their own version.
My god a revelation, ICAO does know what it is talking about, aircraft are not falling out of the sky everywhere, its actually perfectly safe to fly into Singapore.
For the first time in a very long time, recently, there are more Aussies settling in NZ than the other way around. The flow has reversed, people voting with their feet. I have family in NZ, it's a very good option and offers some regions which are outstanding places to live, especially for growing children. But we live in hopes, so Konev come over and help us achieve reform in aviation!