Still no GA aviation policy for the election?
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I have heard that Tony Windsor is going to support the AOPA position of delaying the ADSB mandate until 2021.
Has Mr Joyce made a comment on this? Does the coalition have an aviation policy yet? What is the new ministers advisor doing?
Has Mr Joyce made a comment on this? Does the coalition have an aviation policy yet? What is the new ministers advisor doing?
Next problem is even if he gets in, how effective will he be. By the time he makes any headway on the topic it will be 2023 and long irrelevant.
Aviation as a whole is not a political motivator for anyone. Nick X did some good noise making, but really nothing changes.
This is why the threat of smaller parties to the majors is a small issue only. Enough of us care about a few things, many are fed up with the elites telling us what we can and can't do, and a majority live off the public system either directly or indirectly.
There can be no hope in a system that has had its life strangled out of it. You cannot get any legislation repealed in this country, even when it makes complete sense. If you can it takes 20-30 years. The biggest exception was Abbot rolling back the carbon tax which I assume has happened…..
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The biggest exception was Abbot rolling back the carbon tax which I assume has happened…..
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I have been thinking this through a bit of late. We are ALL sick and tired of the LNP/ALP/GRN lot. With that in mind what will happen and what can we do to effect change in those who get elected. Remember the result is driven by less than 10% of the community.
Will any bunch of independents form government? NO.
Will the LNP win again? Almost certainly.
Will the voice of the majority of normal sensible and rational people (most likely you) be heard and listened to? Not likely to no chance at all.
So how does one send a message to Canberra in both the Lower and Upper houses? Here is my thoughts on it FWIW;
House of Reps.
1. Vote Greens last at every turn.
2. Next any extreme nutters like the coffee bean or sex party types
3. Next ALP or LNP as you would normally prefer.
4. Vote for the Liberal Democrats, Katter Party, Shooters, Fishers, Farmers Party, or whoever is acceptable if they are lucky enough to bump off a major.
Senate.
Know the rules, you can vote with just a 1 in any box above the line, you can number 2,3 or 4 and stop there if you like. The ticket says pick 6 above but that is not legally required. Or go for it on the bottom half! Vote for as many or as few above the line that you prefer.
1. Vote for a suitable respectable non major, Liberal Democrats, KAP, SFFP, Nick Xenaphon, Glenn Lazorous or even a good quality independent.
2. If you must, vote for the LNP or ALP if you want to give a preference to them at positions below the others.
So what does this achieve? It might get you some balance and reasoning in the lower house and the Senate. It tells the number crunchers that people are fed up with the political elites telling us how to live and the bureaucrats that we are sick of poor performance. It puts the majors on notice, they are already but the effect is really serious and will be seen.
Don't give the majors a free kick, and do not give your vote away, because that is a free kick as well.
Will any bunch of independents form government? NO.
Will the LNP win again? Almost certainly.
Will the voice of the majority of normal sensible and rational people (most likely you) be heard and listened to? Not likely to no chance at all.
So how does one send a message to Canberra in both the Lower and Upper houses? Here is my thoughts on it FWIW;
House of Reps.
1. Vote Greens last at every turn.
2. Next any extreme nutters like the coffee bean or sex party types
3. Next ALP or LNP as you would normally prefer.
4. Vote for the Liberal Democrats, Katter Party, Shooters, Fishers, Farmers Party, or whoever is acceptable if they are lucky enough to bump off a major.
Senate.
Know the rules, you can vote with just a 1 in any box above the line, you can number 2,3 or 4 and stop there if you like. The ticket says pick 6 above but that is not legally required. Or go for it on the bottom half! Vote for as many or as few above the line that you prefer.
1. Vote for a suitable respectable non major, Liberal Democrats, KAP, SFFP, Nick Xenaphon, Glenn Lazorous or even a good quality independent.
2. If you must, vote for the LNP or ALP if you want to give a preference to them at positions below the others.
So what does this achieve? It might get you some balance and reasoning in the lower house and the Senate. It tells the number crunchers that people are fed up with the political elites telling us how to live and the bureaucrats that we are sick of poor performance. It puts the majors on notice, they are already but the effect is really serious and will be seen.
Don't give the majors a free kick, and do not give your vote away, because that is a free kick as well.
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From Aunty. Now we now where we stand with Labor, and that's worked out well to date?
Patrick Cooney • 29th June 2016
Labor will maintain strict standards over aviation safety and focus on enhancing the role of regional airports as part of its comprehensive aviation policy released today.
Shadow infrastructure minister Anthony Albanese said a Shorten Labor government boasts a strong policy for aviation safety and jobs, which involves increasing the role of regional airports.
“Aviation is a $30b industry that directly employs tens of thousands of Australians,” Albanese said “and is critical to the ongoing development of our tourism industry.
“The former Labor government made the issue central to the production of the nation’s first Aviation White Paper in 2009, which underpins our ongoing approach to aviation.
“Aviation safety should be beyond politics and Labor will always work with other parties in the parliament to ensure Australian regulations keep up with global standards.”
Albanese, the Member for Grayndler, also spoke about the role of regional airports, having fought for Badgerys Creek airport.
“We will also continue to support the development of the Sydney West Airport at Badgerys Creek, subject to the establishment of a no-fly zone at night over existing residences.
“Labor will invest in a passenger rail connection to the airport from the day it opens to maximise the potential for job creation at the airport and aviation-related industries in the surrounding precinct.”
Only Labor has a plan for the infrastructure of Australia’s future.
Labor will maintain strict standards over aviation safety and focus on enhancing the role of regional airports as part of its comprehensive aviation policy released today.
Shadow infrastructure minister Anthony Albanese said a Shorten Labor government boasts a strong policy for aviation safety and jobs, which involves increasing the role of regional airports.
“Aviation is a $30b industry that directly employs tens of thousands of Australians,” Albanese said “and is critical to the ongoing development of our tourism industry.
Quote:“Ensure Australian regulations keep up with global standards.”
“Labor has always had a strong commitment to maintaining Australia’s excellent safety record.“The former Labor government made the issue central to the production of the nation’s first Aviation White Paper in 2009, which underpins our ongoing approach to aviation.
“Aviation safety should be beyond politics and Labor will always work with other parties in the parliament to ensure Australian regulations keep up with global standards.”
Albanese, the Member for Grayndler, also spoke about the role of regional airports, having fought for Badgerys Creek airport.
Quote:“We will also continue to support the development of the Sydney West Airport at Badgerys Creek.”
“Labor will also seek to enhance the role of regional airports in Australian aviation, including by providing greater opportunities for them to attract international airlines,” he said.“We will also continue to support the development of the Sydney West Airport at Badgerys Creek, subject to the establishment of a no-fly zone at night over existing residences.
“Labor will invest in a passenger rail connection to the airport from the day it opens to maximise the potential for job creation at the airport and aviation-related industries in the surrounding precinct.”
Only Labor has a plan for the infrastructure of Australia’s future.
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I have been thinking this through a bit of late. We are ALL sick and tired of the LNP/ALP/GRN lot. With that in mind what will happen and what can we do to effect change in those who get elected. Remember the result is driven by less than 10% of the community.
Will any bunch of independents form government? NO.
Will the LNP win again? Almost certainly.
Will the voice of the majority of normal sensible and rational people (most likely you) be heard and listened to? Not likely to no chance at all.
So how does one send a message to Canberra in both the Lower and Upper houses? Here is my thoughts on it FWIW;
House of Reps.
1. Vote Greens last at every turn.
2. Next any extreme nutters like the coffee bean or sex party types
3. Next ALP or LNP as you would normally prefer.
4. Vote for the Liberal Democrats, Katter Party, Shooters, Fishers, Farmers Party, or whoever is acceptable if they are lucky enough to bump off a major.
Senate.
Know the rules, you can vote with just a 1 in any box above the line, you can number 2,3 or 4 and stop there if you like. The ticket says pick 6 above but that is not legally required. Or go for it on the bottom half! Vote for as many or as few above the line that you prefer.
1. Vote for a suitable respectable non major, Liberal Democrats, KAP, SFFP, Nick Xenaphon, Glenn Lazorous or even a good quality independent.
2. If you must, vote for the LNP or ALP if you want to give a preference to them at positions below the others.
So what does this achieve? It might get you some balance and reasoning in the lower house and the Senate. It tells the number crunchers that people are fed up with the political elites telling us how to live and the bureaucrats that we are sick of poor performance. It puts the majors on notice, they are already but the effect is really serious and will be seen.
Don't give the majors a free kick, and do not give your vote away, because that is a free kick as well.
Will any bunch of independents form government? NO.
Will the LNP win again? Almost certainly.
Will the voice of the majority of normal sensible and rational people (most likely you) be heard and listened to? Not likely to no chance at all.
So how does one send a message to Canberra in both the Lower and Upper houses? Here is my thoughts on it FWIW;
House of Reps.
1. Vote Greens last at every turn.
2. Next any extreme nutters like the coffee bean or sex party types
3. Next ALP or LNP as you would normally prefer.
4. Vote for the Liberal Democrats, Katter Party, Shooters, Fishers, Farmers Party, or whoever is acceptable if they are lucky enough to bump off a major.
Senate.
Know the rules, you can vote with just a 1 in any box above the line, you can number 2,3 or 4 and stop there if you like. The ticket says pick 6 above but that is not legally required. Or go for it on the bottom half! Vote for as many or as few above the line that you prefer.
1. Vote for a suitable respectable non major, Liberal Democrats, KAP, SFFP, Nick Xenaphon, Glenn Lazorous or even a good quality independent.
2. If you must, vote for the LNP or ALP if you want to give a preference to them at positions below the others.
So what does this achieve? It might get you some balance and reasoning in the lower house and the Senate. It tells the number crunchers that people are fed up with the political elites telling us how to live and the bureaucrats that we are sick of poor performance. It puts the majors on notice, they are already but the effect is really serious and will be seen.
Don't give the majors a free kick, and do not give your vote away, because that is a free kick as well.
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I predict that who ever wins nothing will change unless we take the law into our own hands. We should kick up a stink for 6 months and then unilaterally adopt the FAA or NZ rules. Make it very clear that after such and such a date we are operating under new rules and any one that objects can go r**t their boot.
Well may old Moon face Albo rabbit on about about the White paper (Supersoft).
GA got but a simple line or 2.
And as for Badgerys Creek...How long was he the Miniscule then ?..and only blew warm on that just before the election when he got the oik.
Just goes to illustrate the delusional buggers still think we believe all that crap...sure is the Age of Spin and Bullsh*t
GA got but a simple line or 2.
And as for Badgerys Creek...How long was he the Miniscule then ?..and only blew warm on that just before the election when he got the oik.
Just goes to illustrate the delusional buggers still think we believe all that crap...sure is the Age of Spin and Bullsh*t
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We should kick up a stink for 6 months and then unilaterally
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I am with Rutan and Jas
Rutan, get the firewood, I will bring the beer…..just not that xxxx ****. Ok?
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Actually we should do that. Ron's place is not far from you ;-)
Rutan, get the firewood, I will bring the beer…..just not that xxxx ****. Ok?
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Actually we should do that. Ron's place is not far from you ;-)
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I think we all start off with that touchy feely view that that no organization can be as bad as some of the old hard bitten pilots among us make out. We feel that common sense and mutual respect will resolve any differences we might have about how to solve problems as they arrive.
Slowly the realization comes to all of us, some sooner than others, that we are not dealing with sane, reasonable people.
Both the upper management of CASA and the Politicians who are supposed to guide the organization are nothing more than overpaid self serving bludgers who think that the whole now rotten edifice exists solely to feed their overblown egos and keep them in their high and mighty lifestyle.
We have seen over the last 6 weeks a fairly strong move to bring about change. I personally have been to 5 meetings and spoken one on one with 8 different current politicians. Result? Half arsed promises from both sides and a winge about being finger pointed at Tamworth - Poor little petals.
They JUST don't care about 1/2 a billion $$$$$ being wasted on unusable idiotic rules or about hundreds of job losses and the potential for that to become thousands.
I am now of the opinion that we will only bring about change if we take loud and drastic action. We should announce that as of a certain date we are dumping CASA rules and adopting New Zealand's rules whether CASA likes it or not.
Then let the pollies and CASA explain why we should keep our rules when NZ has a similar safety record and a thriving Aviation Industry for a fraction of our costs and a fraction of our red tape.
Slowly the realization comes to all of us, some sooner than others, that we are not dealing with sane, reasonable people.
Both the upper management of CASA and the Politicians who are supposed to guide the organization are nothing more than overpaid self serving bludgers who think that the whole now rotten edifice exists solely to feed their overblown egos and keep them in their high and mighty lifestyle.
We have seen over the last 6 weeks a fairly strong move to bring about change. I personally have been to 5 meetings and spoken one on one with 8 different current politicians. Result? Half arsed promises from both sides and a winge about being finger pointed at Tamworth - Poor little petals.
They JUST don't care about 1/2 a billion $$$$$ being wasted on unusable idiotic rules or about hundreds of job losses and the potential for that to become thousands.
I am now of the opinion that we will only bring about change if we take loud and drastic action. We should announce that as of a certain date we are dumping CASA rules and adopting New Zealand's rules whether CASA likes it or not.
Then let the pollies and CASA explain why we should keep our rules when NZ has a similar safety record and a thriving Aviation Industry for a fraction of our costs and a fraction of our red tape.
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Jabba, yer on.
XXXX aint too bad once you drink enough of it.
Is the firewood for the BBQ or are we burning someone in effigy?
It's OK I've got enough wood to burn a whole team in effigy and still have a BBQ
There's also a bed if you insist on drinking that unstable rocket fuel of yours.
Rutan, get the firewood, I will bring the beer…..just not that xxxx ****. Ok?
Is the firewood for the BBQ or are we burning someone in effigy?
It's OK I've got enough wood to burn a whole team in effigy and still have a BBQ
There's also a bed if you insist on drinking that unstable rocket fuel of yours.
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I have a 120-litre left in an out-of-date AVGAS drum to bring to the BBQ/bonfire. Certainly more enjoyable than any lip service GA policy by any political party.
Did I mention in an earlier thread:
Jandakot charges up by about 5% across-the-board. Why: No reason given.
Did I mention in an earlier thread:
Jandakot charges up by about 5% across-the-board. Why: No reason given.
Yesterday at my local shopping centre in Perth, I ran into Debbie Robinson from the 'Australian Liberty Alliance', Senate Candidate, and in our brief conversation, she asked what I did for an occupation.
Although retired now, I was wearing an 'aviation cap', and when I mentioned that I had been in aviation in one form or another most of my working life,
SHE started to tell ME about all of our 'troubles' with our so-called 'safety regulator'.
Whoever she has talked to has told her the 'right stuff', and she seemed keenly interested.
I just stood there and listened, and she is across it all.....
So, I am going to give her a go. Can't do any worse anyway......
Cheers
Although retired now, I was wearing an 'aviation cap', and when I mentioned that I had been in aviation in one form or another most of my working life,
SHE started to tell ME about all of our 'troubles' with our so-called 'safety regulator'.
Whoever she has talked to has told her the 'right stuff', and she seemed keenly interested.
I just stood there and listened, and she is across it all.....
So, I am going to give her a go. Can't do any worse anyway......
Cheers
Can't say I'd support them sorry Griffo, anyone who uses the term "Islamisation" goes straight to the bottom of my list, they drop a few positions yet again when they claim to protect the "Natural Family".
I'd suggest everyone reads their "Values and Core Policies" before deciding based on their stance just on Aviation. I love Aviation, I love GA and I very much want a party that will work with us and assist us, but not at the cost of peoples liberties.
"ALA, we stand for a Multi-Ethnic Australia, so long as they all act like they're from the one ethnicity that we think is Superior and aren't Muslim..."
I'd suggest everyone reads their "Values and Core Policies" before deciding based on their stance just on Aviation. I love Aviation, I love GA and I very much want a party that will work with us and assist us, but not at the cost of peoples liberties.
"ALA, we stand for a Multi-Ethnic Australia, so long as they all act like they're from the one ethnicity that we think is Superior and aren't Muslim..."
Thanks Ixixly.
Im afraid I dont care what the aviation policies or knowledge levels are from a bunch whose headline issue, as plastered over their placards, is "Protect our democracy from Islam"
Wouldn't have a clue.
Im afraid I dont care what the aviation policies or knowledge levels are from a bunch whose headline issue, as plastered over their placards, is "Protect our democracy from Islam"
Wouldn't have a clue.
There is this policy from NXT.
A safe and strong aviation sector is vital to Australia's needs. Having our aircraft maintained in Australia is an integral part of ensuring high safety standards and trust in the aviation industry.
Examples of what needs to be done:
There should be an Inspector General of Aviation that acts as an impartial watch-dog over all aviation regulators - in particular CASA and the ATSB - to ensure that they operate in the public interest.
Implement recommendations from Senate reports on aviation and safety
Examples of what needs to be done:
There should be an Inspector General of Aviation that acts as an impartial watch-dog over all aviation regulators - in particular CASA and the ATSB - to ensure that they operate in the public interest.
Implement recommendations from Senate reports on aviation and safety
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You have no chance of getting any change from any of the parties. You stand a fair chance of convincing independents of the plight of GA, and so that is how I voted in the senate. I don't care if it does mean it takes longer to pass a bill, I am sick to death of party politics over-riding my democracy.
No way I would give Windsor or Oakshot air to breath. I certainly wouldn't believe any promise that dribbled from their mouths.
No way I would give Windsor or Oakshot air to breath. I certainly wouldn't believe any promise that dribbled from their mouths.
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