Get out of aviation before you lose everything
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Just for the record, anyone telling you need to get out now before you lose even more is, by default, proposing someone else must get in.
You simply can't have a seller without a buyer. That's correct isn't it Dick?
So the new buyer becomes the next loser. I think the term is ponzi scheme.
Is this really all you've got Dick?
You simply can't have a seller without a buyer. That's correct isn't it Dick?
So the new buyer becomes the next loser. I think the term is ponzi scheme.
Is this really all you've got Dick?
Peter, I assume you already have a TSO 146 GNSS source in your aircraft?
If not, add $15-20k for a suitable unit.
If not, add $15-20k for a suitable unit.
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@HL, yes there is a GPS in the plane.
GPS encoders are getting cheaper anyway and I notice some less expensive ones have the option of an inbuilt GPS encoder.
My opinion is that some of the costs mentioned in earlier posts are not representative.
The benefits of ADSB are apparent to me and are comparable with the jump from radio-based navaids to GNSS.
GPS encoders are getting cheaper anyway and I notice some less expensive ones have the option of an inbuilt GPS encoder.
My opinion is that some of the costs mentioned in earlier posts are not representative.
The benefits of ADSB are apparent to me and are comparable with the jump from radio-based navaids to GNSS.
When I can escape the day job my friends and I mess around building and flying home built aircraft. Engines (experimental admittedly but still lycoming) and props cost about what they did when I entered the game 25 years ago. A lot of the other hardware (starters/alternators etc) has never been cheaper.
There is barely a transponder in sight, and VFR will get you there 80% of the time...(wasn't Alaska once home to the lowest proportion of instrument rated pilots in USA?)
There are half a dozen of us within a block or two in our little backwoods town and many more in each town over.
The regulator leaves us alone (more or less) and with the good work of a few people can generally be persuaded to give us what we want.
I feel for business in GA, I've been in there most of my working life and concede it's getting a lot harder but I don't concede that aviation is dying, possibly a better hobby than career choice tho..
The way some of you get together and carp on here I'm starting to think you want it to fail.
There is barely a transponder in sight, and VFR will get you there 80% of the time...(wasn't Alaska once home to the lowest proportion of instrument rated pilots in USA?)
There are half a dozen of us within a block or two in our little backwoods town and many more in each town over.
The regulator leaves us alone (more or less) and with the good work of a few people can generally be persuaded to give us what we want.
I feel for business in GA, I've been in there most of my working life and concede it's getting a lot harder but I don't concede that aviation is dying, possibly a better hobby than career choice tho..
The way some of you get together and carp on here I'm starting to think you want it to fail.
I'm not a regular visitor to YCBP but was there on 23rd January this year. The attraction to refuel there is simply the price! And the lovely new wider RWY!
Pleasingly, there was a Cirrus and a couple of Cessna's parked there. A Moonie dropped in on a ferry from W.A. to Coffs Harbour whilst we refuelled.
Pleasingly, there was a Cirrus and a couple of Cessna's parked there. A Moonie dropped in on a ferry from W.A. to Coffs Harbour whilst we refuelled.
"Peter. It's when I hear that flying school owners are taking second mortgages on their house that I get worried for them."
Of course you would, Dick.
For that would far outweigh any self interest that you may have.
Of course you would, Dick.
For that would far outweigh any self interest that you may have.
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Gerry. I have never said there is anything wrong about self interest. In fact it drives the human condition.
But can you describe the self interest involved when I warn people to get out before they lose everything?
Maybe you are judging me on what you would do in similar circumstances. Always a great mistake.
But can you describe the self interest involved when I warn people to get out before they lose everything?
Maybe you are judging me on what you would do in similar circumstances. Always a great mistake.
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We fly our bizjet around the Pacific on air ambulance and we need to fit the requirements of FAA, EASA, NZ and CASA for avionics. It cost considerably more to get it future proofed including ADSB and TCAS RVSM etc for all the territory's we operate in. We needed a 50 something parameter data/voice recorder and we now find New Caledonia and Tahiti require TCAS 7.1 instead of the 7.0 we got..point is, your CJ would be a lot more attractive if it qualifies for everywhere and approval from an authority to operate RNP-1 arrivals wouldn't hurt either
Question -
Does one need an 'engineering order' to fit a 'slide in replacement' transponder?
i.e. the Trig TT31 Mode S is touted as "fitting the same mounting tray as the popular KT76A/C..."
No EO req'd to slide in another unit surely...???
Or is the EO for a possible new antenna?
Why would not the new antenna simply fit into the hole where the 'old one' was?
EO req'd..???
And if there is a cable connection from the present installed GPS unit in the aircraft, does this not supply a sufficient GPS info to the txpdr? (VFR acft.)
I know this is PPRuNe, but 'sane / intelligent' answers only pleeeze, I'm getting too old for this crap....!!!
Cheers
Does one need an 'engineering order' to fit a 'slide in replacement' transponder?
i.e. the Trig TT31 Mode S is touted as "fitting the same mounting tray as the popular KT76A/C..."
No EO req'd to slide in another unit surely...???
Or is the EO for a possible new antenna?
Why would not the new antenna simply fit into the hole where the 'old one' was?
EO req'd..???
And if there is a cable connection from the present installed GPS unit in the aircraft, does this not supply a sufficient GPS info to the txpdr? (VFR acft.)
I know this is PPRuNe, but 'sane / intelligent' answers only pleeeze, I'm getting too old for this crap....!!!
Cheers
fitting the same mounting tray
Our ADS-B installation had about $2,500 of EO's. In the US, The FAA has waived some of its requirements to try and make ADS=-B fitment cheaper - but not our CASA.
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Re the GPS. CASA has mandated the most expensive form of gps to operate with ADSB as a minimum. This is not so in other countries where an existing gps can most often be used.
Remember most ex military people have never ever paid go anything substantial in aviation.
Remember most ex military people have never ever paid go anything substantial in aviation.
Ex-FSO
I only answered one of your questions:
1. As I noted previously, some avionics manufacture advertise things as using the same tray - inferring slide-in slide-out, but in fact they require a rear connector change and sometimes even a change to the avioincs locking device (ie through screw)
2. WAAS GPS needs not only a new antennae but also new cabling. I THINK that the WAAS GPS antennae is slightly larger too. I would't guarantee that the WAAS one will be bolt in.
3. ADSB requires a C146a GPS input (ie WAAS) and does not allow C129a input. As Dick has noted, this is partly because CASA are taking a very purist technical approach.
4. ADSB requires a "grey scale" output altitude encoder. Unless you altitude encoder is relatively new; you will need one of those too. This will probably require new bracketry and additional wiring and may trigger a static system test.
One of the problems with the CASA regulations is that (unlike the FAA) there is no definition of "minor modifications". Therefore, strictly speaking, everything requires an EO.
I only answered one of your questions:
1. As I noted previously, some avionics manufacture advertise things as using the same tray - inferring slide-in slide-out, but in fact they require a rear connector change and sometimes even a change to the avioincs locking device (ie through screw)
2. WAAS GPS needs not only a new antennae but also new cabling. I THINK that the WAAS GPS antennae is slightly larger too. I would't guarantee that the WAAS one will be bolt in.
3. ADSB requires a C146a GPS input (ie WAAS) and does not allow C129a input. As Dick has noted, this is partly because CASA are taking a very purist technical approach.
4. ADSB requires a "grey scale" output altitude encoder. Unless you altitude encoder is relatively new; you will need one of those too. This will probably require new bracketry and additional wiring and may trigger a static system test.
One of the problems with the CASA regulations is that (unlike the FAA) there is no definition of "minor modifications". Therefore, strictly speaking, everything requires an EO.
'Aye Aye' Dick,
Am well aware of the 'non-commercial' considerations of the 'ex military' approach...see my post #92 in your Ballina post......
Cheers for now...
Am well aware of the 'non-commercial' considerations of the 'ex military' approach...see my post #92 in your Ballina post......
Cheers for now...
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I have to agree wth Dick on this one.
It's never been tougher to be in GA.
Years ago it was common to rub shoulders with Tradies, Teachers, Police and office workers at flight schools. GA now is out of reach for many.
I really miss my past career in GA but I'm fortunate I got out at the right time.
It wouldn't take much. A slightly better write-off to encourage newer aircraft.
A regulator that is commercially aware that safety outcomes can be achieved without destroying an industry.
New Zealand, Canada and the USA have user-friendly regulators.
CASA is more like a European regulator.
It's never been tougher to be in GA.
Years ago it was common to rub shoulders with Tradies, Teachers, Police and office workers at flight schools. GA now is out of reach for many.
I really miss my past career in GA but I'm fortunate I got out at the right time.
It wouldn't take much. A slightly better write-off to encourage newer aircraft.
A regulator that is commercially aware that safety outcomes can be achieved without destroying an industry.
New Zealand, Canada and the USA have user-friendly regulators.
CASA is more like a European regulator.
GA is overburdened with bureaucracy and is seen as a cash cow in many places. When I started flying (ok last century) GA was seen as an essential service/industry in a vast huge country, the same way as buses are in big cities.
Over the decades it has become to be seen that if you are in GA you are a "rich kid with daddy's money" and of course nothing is further from the truth.
There are no more affordable new aircraft which is exasperating the problem. OF course there are some in niche GA operation still making good money.
I think Dick's advice is relevant and perhaps better worded as "Get out of aviation before you lose everything - UNLESS you have a very niche market"
Over the decades it has become to be seen that if you are in GA you are a "rich kid with daddy's money" and of course nothing is further from the truth.
There are no more affordable new aircraft which is exasperating the problem. OF course there are some in niche GA operation still making good money.
I think Dick's advice is relevant and perhaps better worded as "Get out of aviation before you lose everything - UNLESS you have a very niche market"