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Old 25th Feb 2016, 06:10
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AHIA - CASA/Industry working groups

At present CASA, the Australian aviation regulator is working hard on four fronts related to operational matters.

1. Rewriting CASRs. They have been given until 30 June 2016 to resolve the issues crippling the introduction EASA aligned flight crew training, covered in other threads.

2. Restructuring CASA. The CEO of CASA announced in November that it was necessary reduce the number of 'divisions' from seven to three. This would mean reducing the ten senior managers to five saving AUD$10m according to CASA media sources.

3. Production of new legislation.
A great deal of advanced legislation is being drafted and being passed to industry fro comment. Understandably, small associations such as the AHIA are now running out of steam as the priority is on the flight crew licensing debacle - the regulations and standards. Why? The ATPL system is really broken; and only a bare handful of ATPL(H) have emerged over the past two years. Australia needs around 60 new ATPL (H) people to cover normal attrition; and the need to prepare for the change to Air Transport rules (carrying of passengers). To be fair, customer demands for ATPL qualified crew (when not needed due weight, etc) is pushing the shortage meter into the red (and bending the needle at the stops).

4. Department of Education restructure. This little known problem will be covered later here; but CASA comes under the National Training System; and they have to comply with the 'Aviation Package" standards which at first glance are very different from what CASA produces - as if one is in French and the latter Latin??

But to local recent news:

Aviation Industry Consultative Council. President Peter Crook, attended a meeting in Sydney on 29 Jan ’16. The AICC meeting was observed by the Deputy Prime Minister, Warren Truss, who is our ‘Aviation Minister’. Peter is waiting for the minutes to provide a report back to AHIA members. But a quick telecom showed the meeting had been very positive and well attended by some of the most senior aviation managers in the country. It was very reassuring to see the aviation community has moved forward to a point where they collectively understood the problems needing rectification and that a much improved system of communication between the aviation industry and their regulator. Really good news.

Part 61 Solutions Taskforce. Vice President, Ray Cronin. Although there have been no gatherings since the inaugural meeting on 16 Dec ’15, and our telephone conference with schools on 12 Jan ’16, Ray has been extraordinarily busy, I really do not know Ray sleeps at night having to juggle so many Part 61 related issues with various members of CASA and other government aviation users. Well done Ray.

General Aviation Action Group. Board member, Colin Clarke. First meeting at the Department of Infrastructure and Regional Development, in Canberra, on the 17th December in Canberra. GA Aviation Action Group is setup to drive strategic policy. It is a subcommittee to the AICC (Peter is our representative).

Last week the Department of Education released numerous documents relating to their restructuring of those involved with the production of the various “Aviation Packages”. These are very complex and hard to understand issues; but the AHIA is preparing some plain English explanations as to how all this works. These overarching organizations have great impact on CASA. So we must get it right.

AHIA members will receive more on this soon.

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Old 25th Feb 2016, 21:07
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Rewriting CASRs. They have been given until 30 June 2016 to resolve the issues crippling the introduction EASA aligned flight crew training, covered in other threads.
The "EASA aligned" Part 61 is as about as much EASA as is the so-called EASA-like maintenance rules, they are entirely CASA's "interpretation", and nothing like the EASA "rule" in fact or in practice.
I admit that my experience is limited to UK CAA and the English language version,(and less so the Czechoslovakian version) my friends in the UK are "go-smacked" at CASA Australia seriously comparing the two, in theory or in practice, and the cost, complexity and restrictions, to which we are now bound.
Once again, it is a compromise of trying to make the wrong rules work (never having been rationally based on actual risks, and cost/benefit justified) instead of having rationally developed rules.After the industry representative spend so much well meaning volunteer time and effort, it will still be a cumbersome, complex, convoluted and horribly expensive and internationally un-competitive third grade lash-up, that detracts from air safety outcomes.
Tootle pip!!

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Old 25th Feb 2016, 21:16
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Leadsled...this is where your vast knowledge of things aviations is required. Forget about ADS-B, the industry and activity of GA will die the minute these bastardised rules are finalised.
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Leadsled is totally correct , I've converted my CASA licence to EASA about 18 months ago, they are chalk and cheese.

The CASA part 61 is morphing somewhere between FAA and EASA
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Old 26th Feb 2016, 00:39
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"The CASA part 61 is morphing somewhere between FAA and EASA"????

What? all 2500 pages of it?? How do they condense 2500 pages into 100??
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Old 26th Feb 2016, 01:26
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I am just glad I have had 25 odd good years in the industry. If I never pick up a rule book or talk to a CASA representative again it will be too soon.
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Old 20th Mar 2016, 20:44
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AHIA and CASA meet to work on ATPL(H)

Helicopters Australasia. February 2016.

The troubled ATPL changes have been stalled for almost two years with only a handful of helicopter pilots being able to obtain an ATPL(H). Ray Cronin and CASA staff recently developed a flight test for the ATPL(H) which met the needs of the regulator and industry. It had been suggested a flight test should be less than two hours in a multi-engine helicopter.

The findings of their original work has been referred to the Part 61 Solutions Taskforce for implementation. The ATPL(H) flight test requirement is a controversial change to the Flight Crew Licensing legislation.

However, a recent incident where an ATPL(H) candidate was allegedly required to do flight test of almost four hours in a ME helicopter and a substantial ground test at great cost to the applicant, showed the proposed changes had been ignored. Thus an urgent need to bring this issue out into the open for public debate and rectification of the unworkable legislation.

Many issues need to be resolved, one stumbling block is the almost unachievable Multi-Crew Coordination Training qualification and the new flight test standards associated with the issue of an ATPL(H).

The significance of the work being done by Ray and CASA peers cannot be understated.

The current ATPL(H) shortages are best explained using data from CASA annual reports. In five years prior to Part 61 finally being introduced, number of ATPL(H) increased from 671 to 855 an increase of 184 or an average annual increase of 37. However, when the annual loss rate due to retirements, etc., is considered, a loss rate of 9% per annum must be met by new ATPL(H) graduates. (Plus fleet current growth of 2.5%).

The FISCAL year ending June 2014 showed 845 ATPL(H) and 124 graduates. An increase of 14% - a marked jump from the previous year, when 78 new licences were issued.

But the introduction of Part 61 showed the true nature of the problem, when after nine months of Part 61 transition prior to June 2015, ATPL(H) numbers had only increased by ten to 855. The issue of new licences dropped dramatically to only 44.

New ATPL(H) licences issued were 75% less when compared to last non-Part 61 FISCAL year.

What are predictions for June 2016?

Even ‘Blind Neddy’ could see at June 2015, we needed 98 graduates to replace the normal loss rate of 9% plus demands of the fleet growing at 2.5%. But only 44 were able to get past obstacles now in place due to the new Part 61! This creates a shortfall of 54. (Q. Are overseas aircrew with 457 visas a short-term solution, as proposed in a past CASA newsletter?)

Assuming the number of ATPL(H) licenses remains static at 855 this generates a demand for 98 plus the shortfall of 54 or around 150 graduates.

Unconfirmed reports suggest we may have only produced less than a dozen graduates; if true means a requirement (backlog) of say, 120 to 130 new ATPL(H) licenses exists.

Does it really matter? Many operators will state the problem has been exaggerated because most Australian heavy helicopter companies are owned by international corporations. The down turn in oil & gas extraction contracts means a surplus of qualified ATPL(H) holders able to fill our empty PIC seats using 457 visas.

Who suffers the most? But the real casualties are the training organisations providing theory, simulator, flying and staff training for the new Part 142 schools who have transitioned from the ‘old system’.

And the MCC quagmire? At present MCC legislation requires expensive Boeing 737 simulators, for helicopter pilot training. CRM professionals doubt any benefit of placing a helicopter pilot into a non-helicopter simulator; when after all the MCC course is focused on CRM factors - not the operation of a complex device.

In days of old, CRM facilitators would place chairs in a room to represent the layout of the operator’s helicopter; and verbally provide the CRM exercises to the students which were aligned to their typical mission profile. Now we see MCC courses costing $5,000 to $10,000 plus a flight test could cost probably $10,000 and a CASA FOI for several days.

Ray and his CASA associates are to be congratulated on progress to date and we all hope they are allowed to clean up other unworkable rules holding back our industry. More later ..........

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Old 22nd Mar 2016, 09:58
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CASA and Industry Meeting - ATPL(H).

On 10 Mar '16, a meeting was held at the Melbourne Airport Park Royal – Hosted by CASA and Chaired by Yvette Lutze Senior Standards Officer Rotary.

The purpose of the meeting was to brief the industry on the progress of the ATPL(H) issues and how industry and offshore operators can access the license and flight testing for the initial issue.

Participants were encouraged to provide feedback to CASA by March 24th.

AHIA representative Ray Cronin will provide us with more feedback when known.

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Old 22nd Mar 2016, 10:06
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Firefighting Endorsements

On 18 Mar '16, AHIA attended a meeting with Roger Crosthwaite, Flight Crew Licensing Standards, Standards Division.

Purpose was to provide AHIA and AAAA the proposed final drafting documents for the training programs and pathway to the issuing of a fire fighting endorsement during the transition period.

Proposal to make a regulation 141.035 approval for certain operators to conduct training for the grant of firefighting endorsements.

This will be available for broader industry comment shortly and is a result of a period consultation between CASA and the two associations.

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Old 22nd Mar 2016, 10:12
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Defining integrated pilot training programs.

On 21 Mar '16, Miles Tompkins, represented the AHIA at a meeting in Brisbane to discuss the definition of integrated pilot training programs and how they apply to helicopter and aeroplane licensing regulations.

Clarity is required by industry to determine the most appropriate certificate to provide the various forms of training under either Part 141 or Part 142.

Miles will provided feedback on this very important matter to Ray Cronin after Easter. TBA when known.

Thanks to Miles and Ray, This has been a huge problem for all flying schools.

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CASR Part 138 – Aerial work operations

CASA has requested a speaking opportunity at Rotortech 2016 (27 to 29 May 2016) to discuss the new CASR Part 138 rules. Due to the importance of this topic which at present represents the bulk of our helicopter operations we will make access to the Conference Hall free of charge. Speakers may include Dale South.

As an aside we will be inviting the new Minister of Aviation and CEO/DAS of CASA to speak. Why? The deadline for completion of Part 61 rewrite and CASA restructure is 30 June 2016. If this schedule is still on track, then it will be only 24 work days after Rotortech 2016 finishes.

This legislation covers both aeroplanes and helicopters.

Be there - it is your lively hood for most - and access to this conference is complimentary. No excuses!!!

So what is under development?

Part 138 of CASR will bring together requirements affecting aerial work operations that apply in addition to or in substitution for those required under Part 91 and will also establish the general standards for aerial work for both rotorcraft and aeroplanes. Further, Part 138 will reflect CASA's policy which envisages traditional aerial work operations will be required to be classified, authorised and managed on the basis of the safety risk management of the activity being undertaken.

Who Part 138 affects

Part 138 will affect operators who intend to conduct aerial work in aeroplanes and rotorcraft that involves any or all of the following specialised in-flight purposes:
▸external Load operations, including but not limited to:▸the towing of objects
▸rotorcraft sling load operations
▸winching, rappelling, fast roping and suspended extraction operations from rotorcraft.
▸dispensing operations, including but not limited to:▸discharge of projectiles
▸discharge of objects
▸discharge of material from a rotorcraft that is not an aerial application operation.
▸task-specialised operations, including but not limited to:▸flights that require the carriage of task specialists
▸flights requiring the use of specialised equipment
▸flights requiring close proximity operations
▸flights requiring confined or non-standard departure or landing sites
▸search flights.
▸emergency service operations, being duly authorised flights that involve:▸external load operations
▸dispensing operations
▸task-specialised operations for the purposes of saving and protection of life and property or the enforcement of Federal or State Laws.
▸emergency service operations, including but not limited to:▸rotorcraft emergency medical service operations
▸rotorcraft police operations
▸rotorcraft search and rescue operations
▸rotorcraft firefighting support operations
▸training flights for the above operations where compliance with Division T4 is required to realistically and practically conduct the training.

Key proposals

Aerial work operations will be authorised using an aerial work certificate. The issue or non-issue of an aerial work certificate will be graduated on the basis of the risks associated with each type of activity assessed against criteria outlined in Part 138. This will lead to some operations requiring very robust systems and associated organisations while others, by the nature of their simplicity and low risk status, being able to be conducted without such requirements.

Key proposals include:

consolidate all aeroplane and helicopter aerial work operations into a single rule set, with these operations conducted under a Part 138 certificate rather than an air operator’s certificate (noting the rules for aerial application operations are contained in Part 137 and the rules for medical transport operations will be moved to Parts 119, 133 and 135 as applicable)
▸streamline the current 41 aerial work activities into three categories: external load operations, dispensing operations and task-specialist operations
▸apply rotorcraft and aeroplane performance standards to certain aerial work operations as required, based on the assessed risk
▸apply graduated training and checking standards to aerial work operations depending on the complexity of the operation
▸define and specify when aerial work specialists and aerial work passengers can be carried.

Just a heads up for wise heads,

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Old 23rd Mar 2016, 02:30
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So as a private pilot will I be able to take photographs from my aircraft and use the photos in a commercial way? Say in promoting my business?

It's possible in the USA but not here!
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It's possible in the USA but not here!
It is possible here, in fact I know several RAA pilots who do just this.

Sorry, I guess you mean you want the rule changed? Bad luck, these folks have proven over a 20 year period that they have no idea how to write rules.
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I note the efforts of the industry groups who are valiantly attempting to fix, fast and free of charge, a bugger's muddle that took over 20 years and $200 million to create. I earnestly hope they achieve that outcome, and I will be eternally grateful if they do.

But, alas, my money's not on them succeeding. The gatekeepers controlling changes to the regulations are now focussed on other stuff.

I nonetheless hope to lose the bet.

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Well Dick you did photography ok from DIK for yr money making books and magazines and CAsA stayed away.

Why was that I wonder?...well I dont really, I heard the reasons years ago from some mealy mouthed, brain dead "investigator"(sic), when collecting invoices from my client stated .."this is not about safety, its about commerce"
"Dick Smith.?.yes we know all about him, but high profile, cashed up ...er, um.. would like to bust him but might not be a good career move." See...cowards as well !.

Which proves how the "rules" are applied. Different strokes for different folks..but thats the "safety" control freaks for ya.

Reg 206 re photography should be binned since the "commerce" of photography is post flight and there never has been a problem with the camera affecting the safety of the flight, the licence of the pilot and medical, and the following of the VFR rules.

And it is also the right of a photographer to take images from a public space ...the air, and earn a living. Reg 206 denies those civil rights.

Ditto 27 d ? allowing an aircraft to be used for a commercial purpose eg photography..
not an unsafe or reckless purpose...as you might expect from a ;safety' regulator...but a commercial purpose.!!

Seems like some RAA pilots are doing it.
But then I read that a Realtor taking pics with his drone for his own business benefit is told by CAsA to 'cease and desist' as he's acting commercially !!

No wonder the country is fcuked.
Regulatastan, where CAsA caliphate, is destroying individuals and businesses.

All in the name of "safety", of course.
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Old 21st Apr 2016, 11:13
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Time to put our feet up - relax and reflect!

Recently many aviation people have made comment about the apparent slow pace of putting Band-Aides onto unpopular CASA legislation being provided for us to enjoy?

But every government department is entering the "care-taker mode" until the election has passed (assuming it is on). As such it is unlikely any changes can be implemented in Canberra. You know the story.

But this time frame could be three months, which means the proposed end of June timeline for Part 61 recovery is not achievable.

So it is time to have a rest and reflect. Maybe 2017 may reenergize CASA (if they are allowed to be) which depends on the new minister, etc.

So what are you all going to do? As a starter come to Rotortech 2016 - Exhibition Halls are free. Lots of good metal and carbon fiber parked in the heliparks.

It is time we embrace "drones" lately seen on TV ...............

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Caretaker mode doesn't start until the House of Representatives has been dissolved. The House of Representatives has not been dissolved. It is coming back for the budget session. Otherwise there will be no $$ to fund the ongoing activities of government once the House of Representatives is dissolved and writs for the election are issued.

In any event, there is nothing in the caretaker conventions that would prevent continued work on trying to fix the bugger's muddle that is the regulatory reform program generally or Part 61 in particular.

If you are being told by anyone in government that the impending election, whenever it's called and whenever it's going to happen, is a justification for suspending work on Part 61 'recovery', they are either ignorant, incompetent or p*ssing in your pocket.

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More trouble in paradise?

From AOPA sources.


1pm - Friday, 6th May 2016
Hangar 6 - Tamworth Regional Airport, NSW, Australia.

I am calling on the support of all pilots, aircraft owners, aviation business owners and operators to attend our industry rally in Tamworth, on Friday 6th May 2016. This is your opportunity to be seen and to be heard!

The industry’s leading associations, peak-bodies and aviation personalities, will be in attendance. All standing with the pilots, aircraft owners, aviation businesses and operators of our industry - united in the call for change. We are calling on the government take immediate measures to end the regulatory nightmare that has destroyed our charter, flight training and maintenance industries. Made Australia uncompetitive on the global aviation stage. Eroded essential air services connecting regional Australia, disconnecting townships and isolating communities.

A regulatory nightmare that has forced an entire industry into collapse and thousands of hard working men and women into bankruptcy. In attendance, representing the government will be;

The Deputy Prime Minister, the Hon Barnaby Joyce

The Department of Infrastructure and Transport, the Hon Darren Chester

The Chairman of the Board, Civil Aviation Safety Authority, Mr Jeff Boyd.

For too long, the Australian aviation industry has been disenfranchised the right to economic prosperity through failed policy and excess regulation and compliance costs. We are an industry failed by political rhetoric and empty promises by the Labor, Liberal and The Nationals alike. Our industry has been pushed to the wall, lives destroyed, families broken, retirements ruined and homes lost. A prosperous future for aviation in this country can only be assured through a regulatory framework that is balanced, fair and representative of the needs and aspirations of industry itself. Most importantly, it must be accountable to industry, the people it is there to serve.

I am calling on each and every aviation participant that cares for this industry to show their support and attend. We can no longer afford to sit back and watch the destruction of our industry. Stand with us as we call on government to take action. Help send Canberra a clear message. Show your support. Fly in or drive in. Contact your aviation networks, email, sms, phone.

Lets send the government a clear message, that enough is enough.

Thank you for your support, and I look forward to seeing you all at the event. Best regards,
Chief Executive - Aviation Advertiser Digital Group
Telephone: (02) 8215 6292
Mobile: 0415 577 724
Email: [email protected]

1pm - Arrival
1pm-2pm - FREE BBQ lunch and drinks - Sponsored by Aviation Advertiser & AOPA
2pm - Government representatives arrive
2pm-2:30pm - Closed door meeting between Government and Industry Associations
2:30pm-3pm - Short presentation to rally from industry representatives
2:30pm-4pm - Open Q&A between rally attendees and government
4pm-6pm - Tamworth AeroClub Post Event Drinks

Helicopter folks - what do you think!

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Thanks, Rob, for presenting these updates - they help greatly to cut through the rhetoric and get to the point, which is how to progress from where we find ourselves to somewhere more workable. Keep up the good work.
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Are we lawful?

These comments are private in nature; AHIA will provide a Media Release after the pending meeting at Tamworth.

But as history shows, the AHIA has advised members not to submit applications to new rules because the most troublesome Part 61 still cannot be used to apply for or roll over to the new system. In other words, CASA appears not to have internal guide lines to process 141 and 142 applications.

Look at schools who have been knocked back?

CASA is trying hard to help us by issuing a guide to help us write all the things for a non-complex school; or transition to one. re: Part 141 Guide.

SO ......... what happens when you download the well meant documentation?

You have to refer to Part 61 Flight Crew Licensing - I tried the Com Law site. When finally found it said it was superseded or suspended or similar.

Next step, check out the MOS. Good news there is a current version dated 13 August 2014?????

But what has happened to the feedback we have given to Standards Branch during the two and half years of road shows, committees, surveys, media reports, association submissions and working groups with their joint submissions to fix the MOS.

Request: Please prove me wrong! Is Part 61 legislation current or are we lawless?

How does a new school or one in transition find an updated version of the MOS.

If my searching of the CASA and Com Law sites is in error - please point me in the right direction.

Are others having this problem? Speak up!

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