My CASA dilemma TR B777\787

[Fluke]

My CASA dilemma, operational rating not offered in Australia yet training completed overseas not recognised!

Regulation 61.275 of the CASR does not consider the recognition of training courses undertaken overseas for the purpose of issuing an equivalent Australian authorisation.

So how does one become a Type Rating Instructor if you are not employed by Qantas or Virgin ( I am sure they must run internal courses), and your offshore employer wishes you to train pilots.

Boeing run TRI/TRE courses worldwide( except Australia) and CASA recognises none of them.

[roundsounds]

A TRI qualification is of no use unless you are operating through a Part 142 organisation. The 142 organisation will be able to assist in converting your TRI/TRE to an Australian equivalent. I also suggest you contact Tony Stanton and put your situation to him. Tony is heading the CASA Part 61 Task Force whose aim is to tidy up anomalies created by the new reg's. Given the whole rewrite of FCL reg's was to harmonise with ICAO, CASA should accept other ICAO signatory state qual's. Also have a look at the CASA Licencing procedures manual, Page 105. Below is a link to the manual.
https://www.casa.gov.au/manuals-and-...cedures-manual

[Fluke]

Roundsounds, thank you for your constructive advice. I have been flying for the last four years on a validation based on my Australian ATPL. I completed TRI/SFI training with Boeing Gatwick after talking advice from CASA but have since been rail roaded. CASA seem happy to transfer ratings from an EASA license to an Australian license but not place directly on an Australian license.

[swh]

I have been flying for the last four years on a validation based on my Australian ATPL. I completed TRI/SFI training with Boeing Gatwick after talking advice from CASA but have since been rail roaded. CASA seem happy to transfer ratings from an EASA license to an Australian license but not place directly on an Australian license.

I think CASA is correct, ICAO Annex 1 says licence validations cannot be extended beyond the the validity of the supporting licence. So if someone has given you a type rating on a validation, it would not be recognized by ICAO Annex 1 outside the state that issued it.

A validation is not a licence, it is like the international driver permit from the auto club. It is useless without the actual licence.

The process you want to do it a licence conversion in the state you are working, and have the type rating on that licence. CASA would then accept that.

Personnel Licensing FAQ

"A validation cannot provide more privileges than the supporting licence. If additional ratings are required, they need to be added to the supporting licence before they can be taken into account in the validation "

"Additional ratings can be added to the "converted" licence in accordance with the requirements of the State that has converted the licence"

Be careful how you approach this as it may draw unwanted attention to your validation, and you may have that privilege removed.

[Fluke]

I think CASA is correct, ICAO Annex 1 says licence validations cannot be extended beyond the the validity of the supporting licence. So if someone has given you a type rating on a validation, it would not be recognized by ICAO

I don't dispute your comments but the problem is not the validation.
CASA follows a CASR 202.278 which recognises overseas training courses for the purpose of issuing equivalent Australian type ratings. The regulation does not mention recognition of operational ratings.

So my dilemma remains, how do I get accredited by CASA if the training course is not offered in Australia or at least not available to independently employed Australian Pilots?

CASA's answer is to put the rating on a foreign license and then convert it across to an Australian license. I am simply saying a foreign operational rating recognised by CASA should be able to go directly onto an Australian license if the training is unavailable in Australia.

[4 Holer]

FAA ATPL 2 days.

Schred your "CASA" license and forget Australia ( White Africa ). Come over here to the U.S. take the ATPL written study the red book for 2 days with a highlighter jump in the 777 simulator or the Boeing Sim at Gatwick do the type ride again ( Just the sim ride ). That gives you the FAA ATPL flight test, the written is already done and the oral will be over a coffee in the lunch room with your experience at the Sim.
Just put Australia behind you seriously the U.S. is FULL of Aussies who have moved over now working and AUS businesses transferred from Australia and places like Australia.

Life is short.