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G'day everyone I know these threads pop up from time to time but I'm after some serious consultation from people within the industry. I'm in my mid 30s and already have a private pilot's license and looking to expand that to a CPL and MECIR. Once I finish that I plan to get my instructor rating and that's how I'll earn money to start off in the industry possibly part time. I'm a strong believer of getting an instrument rating early so if I ever do come into any problems I have the training that would help also when I find a charter job it be handy to have a MECIR. I plan on getting a diploma through one of the colleges at Bankstown and vet fee help my fees. The question that really comes back up all the time is how is how the GA Industry is going and how does the overall industry look for somebody who's changing careers in their mid 30s. People with in the industry I really appreciate any feedback and advice.
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My advice is to join the Clergy and buy an Auster. An altruistic bend would be advisable if you are wealthy and always be mindful of the adage: If you want to make a small fortune out of aviation in Australia, start with a big fortune. Best I can offer mate.
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Where do you want to end up? Professional GA Instructor, GA career, airlines?
GA is doom & gloom, but there are jobs there. As less and less people see it as a viable future, the pool of candidates for any given job shrinks and the conditions improve.
There are top level GA organisations struggling to find suitable pilots to fill Instructor and Charter positions even now and that situation is going to worsen. Those who stay in the industry will be in demand, even as the industry shrinks beneath the ever increasing weight of bureaucracy.
You are probably not a candidate for an airline gig; too many barely-pubescent cadets and university grad applicants for the RH seat jobs that are about.
My opinion only; you need to do your own research and decide if you can make a living in the field, or whether you'd be better off with a more conventional job and a PPL or RPL for the weekends.
GA is doom & gloom, but there are jobs there. As less and less people see it as a viable future, the pool of candidates for any given job shrinks and the conditions improve.
There are top level GA organisations struggling to find suitable pilots to fill Instructor and Charter positions even now and that situation is going to worsen. Those who stay in the industry will be in demand, even as the industry shrinks beneath the ever increasing weight of bureaucracy.
You are probably not a candidate for an airline gig; too many barely-pubescent cadets and university grad applicants for the RH seat jobs that are about.
My opinion only; you need to do your own research and decide if you can make a living in the field, or whether you'd be better off with a more conventional job and a PPL or RPL for the weekends.
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Spend the extra cash on some sweet simulator kit for home. You'll get behind that much more than the real thing - and it'll be cheaper too.
I just left back into my previous area of work from before getting my CPL - as I couldn't find squat - and the bills don't stop coming.
If you really want hours, cross hire an aircraft and spend that money more wisely....
I just left back into my previous area of work from before getting my CPL - as I couldn't find squat - and the bills don't stop coming.
If you really want hours, cross hire an aircraft and spend that money more wisely....
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It's not too late, but make no mistake, it's a long hard expensive road ahead, with no guarantees. And in the early days, the pay is crap. I'm not sure what your personal circumstances are eg married with kids and mortgage or single and financially secure, but if it's the former you need a very understanding family, and a partner who is earning a reasonable income, cos seriously you could earn more stacking shelves at the local supermarket than what you'll earn instructing in the 1st couple of years.
That being said, if you have the passion, the drive, and the persistence to get there, I'd say go for it. You don't want to be looking back in 20yrs regretting not giving it a go.
That being said, if you have the passion, the drive, and the persistence to get there, I'd say go for it. You don't want to be looking back in 20yrs regretting not giving it a go.
In all seriousness, as someone who has done exactly what you your contemplating don't do it. The rewards aren't there and lots of GA don't want anyone over 25 years old who will complain about being used as dogs body instead of a pilot.
You will be 10 years older than the CP who won't appreciate any advice from you no matter how good or helpful it may be.
You will be 10 years older than the CP who won't appreciate any advice from you no matter how good or helpful it may be.
You will be 10 years older than the CP who won't appreciate any advice from you no matter how good or helpful it may be.
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But I suggest most Chief Pilots would welcome a fresh perspective, particularly when drawing on previous vocational experience and delivered appropriately.
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Something to think about.
Go to your local airport. There will be some instructors that have done what you are contemplating. Schedule a coffee with them and chat about it. Could also be a good networking opportunity. Separate sound advice from marketing hype. Most will empathise and be very frank.
Don't do an Instrument Rating yet. Get the Instructor Rating first. Secure a job, then do the Instrument rating at Staff rates, make it tax deductible and draw on the assistance of your colleagues. You will save thousands. You will be demonstrating to your students safe practices to ensure they never get into a VFR flight needing an Instrument Rating
Don't do it under Fee Help. You are not racing against the clock for the positions you are talking about. Why take on a significant debt, when you get into your late 30s and finally start earning over the threshold, you will be carrying a debt well into your 40s. In an Industry that wont reward for about 7 years return of service.
Sorry about the rather curt email, but I haven't eaten all day, wife is yelling and dinner smells dam good.
By the way, its not all bad but you need to talk face to face though. I don't know your previous background but can I guess IT. That's by far and away the biggest supplier of career change instructors.
Cheers. Glen
Go to your local airport. There will be some instructors that have done what you are contemplating. Schedule a coffee with them and chat about it. Could also be a good networking opportunity. Separate sound advice from marketing hype. Most will empathise and be very frank.
Don't do an Instrument Rating yet. Get the Instructor Rating first. Secure a job, then do the Instrument rating at Staff rates, make it tax deductible and draw on the assistance of your colleagues. You will save thousands. You will be demonstrating to your students safe practices to ensure they never get into a VFR flight needing an Instrument Rating
Don't do it under Fee Help. You are not racing against the clock for the positions you are talking about. Why take on a significant debt, when you get into your late 30s and finally start earning over the threshold, you will be carrying a debt well into your 40s. In an Industry that wont reward for about 7 years return of service.
Sorry about the rather curt email, but I haven't eaten all day, wife is yelling and dinner smells dam good.
By the way, its not all bad but you need to talk face to face though. I don't know your previous background but can I guess IT. That's by far and away the biggest supplier of career change instructors.
Cheers. Glen
What Glen said...
Disregard the likes of pilotchute - they are the ones with an overinflated sense of entitlement who think being older automatically makes them better than their professional peers.
I've experienced him firsthand
Just because you might be older than those who started young, be mindful that, especially in aviation, there is no substitute for experience and good mentoring.
Go for it, but speak to people in the job face to face and research all aspects. Use your previous skills to assist your development in the new profession and be humble.
Glen - what's for dinner?
Disregard the likes of pilotchute - they are the ones with an overinflated sense of entitlement who think being older automatically makes them better than their professional peers.
I've experienced him firsthand
Just because you might be older than those who started young, be mindful that, especially in aviation, there is no substitute for experience and good mentoring.
Go for it, but speak to people in the job face to face and research all aspects. Use your previous skills to assist your development in the new profession and be humble.
Glen - what's for dinner?
Flying Bear,
My advice to the 23 year old CP I had at the time related to how to put together a tender for a contract, negotiating better insurance premiums etc. None of it was flying related. He didn't have a clue about anything other than flying a plane.
If you have experienced me firsthand then at some point in your life you must have been a 23 yo CP.
My advice to the 23 year old CP I had at the time related to how to put together a tender for a contract, negotiating better insurance premiums etc. None of it was flying related. He didn't have a clue about anything other than flying a plane.
If you have experienced me firsthand then at some point in your life you must have been a 23 yo CP.
Nope, at 23 years old I was getting belted around the ears by my (now respected) mentors!!
CP didn't happen till much later, and several thousands of hours. My comment ties to an earlier one of yours in another thread - so maybe we both are confused (not unheard of in my case!!).
Oh, and don't get me started on tender writing... absolutely NOT something CPs should be doing. Takes time away from the priorities of the job and something they are not equipped for (usually).
Nevertheless, and on topic, bring the skills you have to the team, chase your dream (if that's what flying is to you), but be under no illusion that for a "late starter" it will be hard, somewhat thankless and certainly no way to become financially wealthy.
But it can be a shedload of fun!
CP didn't happen till much later, and several thousands of hours. My comment ties to an earlier one of yours in another thread - so maybe we both are confused (not unheard of in my case!!).
Oh, and don't get me started on tender writing... absolutely NOT something CPs should be doing. Takes time away from the priorities of the job and something they are not equipped for (usually).
Nevertheless, and on topic, bring the skills you have to the team, chase your dream (if that's what flying is to you), but be under no illusion that for a "late starter" it will be hard, somewhat thankless and certainly no way to become financially wealthy.
But it can be a shedload of fun!
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My advice is to join the Clergy and buy an Auster. An altruistic bend would be advisable if you are wealthy and always be mindful of the adage: If you want to make a small fortune out of aviation in Australia, start with a big fortune. Best I can offer mate.
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GA has always been difficult but now is no worse than any other time, in fact with Airlines looking at recruiting it may be coming to an up cycle.
Age wise, I know one guy who went from late 30s newby to jet F/O in less than five years.
I was a CP at 23.
I cant remember any issues with the older pilots. Tendering for contracts was done by the companies owner with my advice (I had current knowledge of the job). Insurance, mantenance all covered by owner, this is not a CPs job at all, unless they own the joint or dont have a business manager.
My GA experience was a long time ago now, when we flew pistons and pretty well only Airlines had jets.
Age wise, I know one guy who went from late 30s newby to jet F/O in less than five years.
I was a CP at 23.
I cant remember any issues with the older pilots. Tendering for contracts was done by the companies owner with my advice (I had current knowledge of the job). Insurance, mantenance all covered by owner, this is not a CPs job at all, unless they own the joint or dont have a business manager.
My GA experience was a long time ago now, when we flew pistons and pretty well only Airlines had jets.