Griffith University Aviation ?
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Well thanks for guy who answered sensibly , some people here seem just a tad sensitive & perhaps even a little reactionary.
Ultra I am sure that your academic subjects at UNSW were delivered by full time academics (lecturers or above) who are employed by the Kensingon campus. They weren't beamed in online by someone who is employed full time by UNSW yet lives in Broome - which is what Griff Avn are effectively doing
As for your comment that lectures are often delivered by PhD students well they might assist an academic deliver a lecture or two a semester. Somewhere like UNSW - very difficult to get a job without a PhD. PhD students might typically work as tutors or lab demonstrators (as you mentioned) - why an earth would the lecturer be on standby on the internet ?? kind of like at mission control or something. Labs for undergrads are pretty basis stuff for PhD students.
What I am trying to do is simply get some feedback from current or recent Griffith grads regarding what seem to be some quite unusual events there.
Ultra I am sure that your academic subjects at UNSW were delivered by full time academics (lecturers or above) who are employed by the Kensingon campus. They weren't beamed in online by someone who is employed full time by UNSW yet lives in Broome - which is what Griff Avn are effectively doing
As for your comment that lectures are often delivered by PhD students well they might assist an academic deliver a lecture or two a semester. Somewhere like UNSW - very difficult to get a job without a PhD. PhD students might typically work as tutors or lab demonstrators (as you mentioned) - why an earth would the lecturer be on standby on the internet ?? kind of like at mission control or something. Labs for undergrads are pretty basis stuff for PhD students.
What I am trying to do is simply get some feedback from current or recent Griffith grads regarding what seem to be some quite unusual events there.
- The departure of previous Avn Head , who then proceeds to set up another aviation degree at USQ - this is unusual
- Griffith Avn have on of their full time academics Tarryn Killie , senior lecturer so on around $120K , live in Tasmania & deliver lectures online - in my view this is extremely unusual
- A new head of aviation is appointed , who is immediately promoted from being a senior lecturer in the UK , to a full professor at Griffith. Thus skipping the rank of associate prof - this is quite unusual
- Hearing from many people that getting the flying done within time frames just isn't happening over the last couple of years
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Curious as to why you expect people to answer your questions when you've got quite a demonstrated history of dodging any questions or queries pertaining to some of your questionable 'facts' (read, baseless opinions).
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Ultra I am sure that your academic subjects at UNSW were delivered by full time academics (lecturers or above) who are employed by the Kensingon campus. They weren't beamed in online by someone who is employed full time by UNSW yet lives in Broome - which is what Griff Avn are effectively doing
from my uni experiences, what Griffith Uni is doing is not that unusual, not common, granted, but not unusual either.
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That is because UNSW aviation employs some staff on a "sessional" basis or they are adjunct Profs etc. Never pretend that they are full time
The normal occurrence when you are employed full time at a University as a lecturer is that you attend your workplace more or less M to F from about 8:30 to 4:30 or 9 to 5 all days except public holidays. Really no different to someone who works full time at a law service or factory around the corner from a Uni.
It would seem to be a wonderful condition of service to be located 2500 km from your place of employment and beam your lectures in for your 4 to 6 hours of teaching per week. Whilst collecting a pay check as a senior lecturer of what would it be $110K to $140K.
Just wondering what the current undergraduates at Griffith Aviation think of this. In your experience is also wonderful for you ? Getting a fair shake for the HECS debt you are incurring ?
Would challenge anyone to produce anyone else who has the same arrangements in Australia. That the academic is employed full time by a university to work at that university, but resides 2500km. And drops by to do their lectures for a few hours a week by Twitter or facebook , giving her students a wonderful social media experience.
The normal occurrence when you are employed full time at a University as a lecturer is that you attend your workplace more or less M to F from about 8:30 to 4:30 or 9 to 5 all days except public holidays. Really no different to someone who works full time at a law service or factory around the corner from a Uni.
It would seem to be a wonderful condition of service to be located 2500 km from your place of employment and beam your lectures in for your 4 to 6 hours of teaching per week. Whilst collecting a pay check as a senior lecturer of what would it be $110K to $140K.
Just wondering what the current undergraduates at Griffith Aviation think of this. In your experience is also wonderful for you ? Getting a fair shake for the HECS debt you are incurring ?
Would challenge anyone to produce anyone else who has the same arrangements in Australia. That the academic is employed full time by a university to work at that university, but resides 2500km. And drops by to do their lectures for a few hours a week by Twitter or facebook , giving her students a wonderful social media experience.
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In your experience is also wonderful for you ? Getting a fair shake for the HECS debt you are incurring ?
FBN, from your previous posting history, you don't strike me as an altruistic type of dude. Sorry, but that's not how you come across.
So, why are you really so hung up about this 2500km thingy you keep banging on about?
So, why are you really so hung up about this 2500km thingy you keep banging on about?
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Understand Senior Lecturer Tarryn Killie actually lives in Tasmania and delivers her lectures by computer or something, and she is a program manager.
Griffith Avn have on of their full time academics Tarryn Killie , senior lecturer so on around $120K , live in Tasmania & deliver lectures online - in my view this is extremely unusual
and beam your lectures in for your 4 to 6 hours of teaching per week. Whilst collecting a pay check as a senior lecturer of what would it be $110K to $140K.
And drops by to do their lectures for a few hours a week by Twitter or facebook , giving her students a wonderful social media experience.
A new head of aviation is appointed , who is immediately promoted from being a senior lecturer in the UK , to a full professor at Griffith. Thus skipping the rank of associate prof - this is quite unusual
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Academic salaries are public record in Australia , no secret really.
Stick to my viewpoint that is quiet unusual for academics to skip "grades" not to say it doesn't ever happen, but I would suggest really very rarely. The Unis & academics really very hierarchical in Australia, imagine something like an established uni faculty say Syd Uni Law school & they hired a senior Lecturer from WA and appointed them a full professor. There would pretty much be a rebellion by staff.
Imagine the huffing & puffing at Qantas if they appointed a SO as a Capt
"my gosh we just couldn't possibly do something outside of seniority ..... could we now"
No agenda my friend , really quite ambivalent about it all.
Just asking some questions about Griffith aviation & how it is all going, as it would appear that just perhaps some unusual goings on.
Stick to my viewpoint that is quiet unusual for academics to skip "grades" not to say it doesn't ever happen, but I would suggest really very rarely. The Unis & academics really very hierarchical in Australia, imagine something like an established uni faculty say Syd Uni Law school & they hired a senior Lecturer from WA and appointed them a full professor. There would pretty much be a rebellion by staff.
Imagine the huffing & puffing at Qantas if they appointed a SO as a Capt
"my gosh we just couldn't possibly do something outside of seniority ..... could we now"
No agenda my friend , really quite ambivalent about it all.
Just asking some questions about Griffith aviation & how it is all going, as it would appear that just perhaps some unusual goings on.
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How is a single person indicative of a whole program? So I wouldn't say you're "ambivalent" about it. It sounds more like you've got (another) axe to grind. 
I have worked in industries other than aviation and telecommuting is prevalent everywhere! It is far from some easy bludge job, it requires discipline and often sacrifice of your own time as you might be interacting with people well outside of the hours a normal working person might encounter. If a lecturer in Sydney has a morning lecture and a night tute they might work 9:00 to 19:30. If someone in WA is giving the same lecture in Sydney during daylight savings time then they are commencing work at 06:00 local time.
Speaking of public record, I'm sure there are many PPRUNER's that cannot wait for the day you get publicly named after someone slaps you with a defamation suit, because you my "friend" have pretty much already committed career suicide. 
I have worked in industries other than aviation and telecommuting is prevalent everywhere! It is far from some easy bludge job, it requires discipline and often sacrifice of your own time as you might be interacting with people well outside of the hours a normal working person might encounter. If a lecturer in Sydney has a morning lecture and a night tute they might work 9:00 to 19:30. If someone in WA is giving the same lecture in Sydney during daylight savings time then they are commencing work at 06:00 local time.
Academic salaries are public record in Australia , no secret really
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May I respectfully suggest that this thread is closed please? A member is openly criticising the alleged work contract of a named person, under a thread purporting to be about an institution.
The pay scales of the various grades at academic institutions in Australia are indeed a matter of public record, but individual contracts are certainly not.
By the way, the publicly aired suppositions about the nature of the individual's contract are completely wrong and I would suggest that the context in which they are aired are a gnat's whisker away from defamation.
Fly safe
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May I respectfully suggest that this thread is closed please? A member is openly criticising the alleged work contract of a named person, under a thread purporting to be about an institution.
The pay scales of the various grades at academic institutions in Australia are indeed a matter of public record, but individual contracts are certainly not.
By the way, the publicly aired suppositions about the nature of the individual's contract are completely wrong and I would suggest that the context in which they are aired are a gnat's whisker away from defamation.
Fly safe
PJ
No, no, no! Let him keep digging!
(His own hole, not slanderous info on the lecturer...)
(His own hole, not slanderous info on the lecturer...)
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May I respectfully suggest that this thread is closed please? A member is openly criticising the alleged work contract of a named person, under a thread purporting to be about an institution.
a gnat's whisker away from defamation.
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What a interesting perspective you Chaps have.
Especially when on this forum you regularly call the QF CEO , QF Chairman , CASA officials pretty much every name under the sun under the veil of anonymity.
True Gutless wonders
Especially when on this forum you regularly call the QF CEO , QF Chairman , CASA officials pretty much every name under the sun under the veil of anonymity.
True Gutless wonders
