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Wondering how this program is traveling nowadays , how many students in each year of the course etc.
Have heard that many of the students take substantially longer than the three years to complete their flying training. What is the reality of the situation there ?
Are they generally completing their flying on time , or is it only the lazy , unmotivated undergrads who aren't getting it done ?
What is the standard of the training like at AAA ?? Where do most of the students go after graduation (aside from their local centrelink office) are any getting jobs , going north etc.
As an outsider the program always looked a bit of a "blow my own trumpet" kind of set up. As they kept advertising the fact that they ran the Qantas cadet program years after the program folded. The Griffith Uni Cathay Pacific cadetship was also quite curious , as all they really seemed to be saying was that after you completed the degree Griffith would provide you with the opportunity to apply. Well couldn't anyone in the world apply to Cathay once they had a CPL (and 250 hours)
Understand Senior Lecturer Tarryn Killie actually lives in Tasmania and delivers her lectures by computer or something, and she is a program manager. This sounds like a highly unusual arrangement , I wonder how many other academics are employed full time as a senior lecturer in Australia & live 2500 km away from their place of work, whilst picking up a six figure salary. I wonder what the students think about this having one of their academics (& they only have four or five full timers) live 2500 km , not available on a M to F basis on campus- getting a fair shake for their HECS ??
Also understand the previous head of Griffith Aviation Paul Bates is now at USQ , and it would seem just set up a new aviation program there. Why did this guy leave ? , did other staff leave ?
All a bit confusing really , is the program a good program ? & would people who have completed it recommend it ? It seems these Uni programs can get complicated with their relationships with flying schools.
Have heard that many of the students take substantially longer than the three years to complete their flying training. What is the reality of the situation there ?
Are they generally completing their flying on time , or is it only the lazy , unmotivated undergrads who aren't getting it done ?
What is the standard of the training like at AAA ?? Where do most of the students go after graduation (aside from their local centrelink office) are any getting jobs , going north etc.
As an outsider the program always looked a bit of a "blow my own trumpet" kind of set up. As they kept advertising the fact that they ran the Qantas cadet program years after the program folded. The Griffith Uni Cathay Pacific cadetship was also quite curious , as all they really seemed to be saying was that after you completed the degree Griffith would provide you with the opportunity to apply. Well couldn't anyone in the world apply to Cathay once they had a CPL (and 250 hours)
Understand Senior Lecturer Tarryn Killie actually lives in Tasmania and delivers her lectures by computer or something, and she is a program manager. This sounds like a highly unusual arrangement , I wonder how many other academics are employed full time as a senior lecturer in Australia & live 2500 km away from their place of work, whilst picking up a six figure salary. I wonder what the students think about this having one of their academics (& they only have four or five full timers) live 2500 km , not available on a M to F basis on campus- getting a fair shake for their HECS ??
Also understand the previous head of Griffith Aviation Paul Bates is now at USQ , and it would seem just set up a new aviation program there. Why did this guy leave ? , did other staff leave ?
All a bit confusing really , is the program a good program ? & would people who have completed it recommend it ? It seems these Uni programs can get complicated with their relationships with flying schools.
I thought you would have learnt from your last tirade of abuse along similar lines in another thread.
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At the risk of getting hooked, I will take a bite.
Wondering how this program is traveling nowadays , how many students in each year of the course etc.
From memory there was 180 which started in my cohort several years ago. That number dwindled down and by the time students started flying training (third year) I would guestimate there was just over a third of those students left.
Have heard that many of the students take substantially longer than the three years to complete their flying training. What is the reality of the situation there ?
The degree covers a three year period and the flight training another year by itself. In total it really is a four year program. On all accounts, those that put in the work and were motivated did finish the training and the degree in that time period.
Are they generally completing their flying on time , or is it only the lazy , unmotivated undergrads who aren't getting it done ?
As above.
What is the standard of the training like at AAA ?? Where do most of the students go after graduation (aside from their local centrelink office) are any getting jobs , going north etc.
The standard of training AAA is probably best left answered by somebody that employed the graduates. I thought the training was good.
Those that were willing to put in the effort and the hard yards for the most part were able to land jobs. Some of these were at airlines in cadet-programs, others in G.A and a handful in the military. It paid to have the right attitude but also be at the right place at the right time. Some people took longer to find work then others, that is the nature of the beast, there are too many pilots for the jobs available. By all accounts those that persevered did find a job.
As an outsider the program always looked a bit of a "blow my own trumpet" kind of set up. As they kept advertising the fact that they ran the Qantas cadet program years after the program folded. The Griffith Uni Cathay Pacific cadetship was also quite curious , as all they really seemed to be saying was that after you completed the degree Griffith would provide you with the opportunity to apply. Well couldn't anyone in the world apply to Cathay once they had a CPL (and 250 hours)
There was a handful that got this opportunity but for the most part, I would agree with you. Those that were silly enough to enter the program with the idea they were going to get a cadetship and be on a jet within a few years were the first to leave.
Understand Senior Lecturer Tarryn Killie actually lives in Tasmania and delivers her lectures by computer or something, and she is a program manager. This sounds like a highly unusual arrangement , I wonder how many other academics are employed full time as a senior lecturer in Australia & live 2500 km away from their place of work, whilst picking up a six figure salary. I wonder what the students think about this having one of their academics (& they only have four or five full timers) live 2500 km , not available on a M to F basis on campus- getting a fair shake for their HECS ??
Also understand the previous head of Griffith Aviation Paul Bates is now at USQ , and it would seem just set up a new aviation program there. Why did this guy leave ? , did other staff leave ?
Don't know enough about this to comment as they were both there when I did the program.
All a bit confusing really , is the program a good program ? & would people who have completed it recommend it ? It seems these Uni programs can get complicated with their relationships with flying schools.
I enjoyed the program, it was a good introduction to a field I really didn't know much about straight out of school. It gave me a little bit of time to mature up and get some exposure. I made some good lifelong friends during the course and I have the pleasure to work with some of them now.
Wondering how this program is traveling nowadays , how many students in each year of the course etc.
From memory there was 180 which started in my cohort several years ago. That number dwindled down and by the time students started flying training (third year) I would guestimate there was just over a third of those students left.
Have heard that many of the students take substantially longer than the three years to complete their flying training. What is the reality of the situation there ?
The degree covers a three year period and the flight training another year by itself. In total it really is a four year program. On all accounts, those that put in the work and were motivated did finish the training and the degree in that time period.
Are they generally completing their flying on time , or is it only the lazy , unmotivated undergrads who aren't getting it done ?
As above.
What is the standard of the training like at AAA ?? Where do most of the students go after graduation (aside from their local centrelink office) are any getting jobs , going north etc.
The standard of training AAA is probably best left answered by somebody that employed the graduates. I thought the training was good.
Those that were willing to put in the effort and the hard yards for the most part were able to land jobs. Some of these were at airlines in cadet-programs, others in G.A and a handful in the military. It paid to have the right attitude but also be at the right place at the right time. Some people took longer to find work then others, that is the nature of the beast, there are too many pilots for the jobs available. By all accounts those that persevered did find a job.
As an outsider the program always looked a bit of a "blow my own trumpet" kind of set up. As they kept advertising the fact that they ran the Qantas cadet program years after the program folded. The Griffith Uni Cathay Pacific cadetship was also quite curious , as all they really seemed to be saying was that after you completed the degree Griffith would provide you with the opportunity to apply. Well couldn't anyone in the world apply to Cathay once they had a CPL (and 250 hours)
There was a handful that got this opportunity but for the most part, I would agree with you. Those that were silly enough to enter the program with the idea they were going to get a cadetship and be on a jet within a few years were the first to leave.
Understand Senior Lecturer Tarryn Killie actually lives in Tasmania and delivers her lectures by computer or something, and she is a program manager. This sounds like a highly unusual arrangement , I wonder how many other academics are employed full time as a senior lecturer in Australia & live 2500 km away from their place of work, whilst picking up a six figure salary. I wonder what the students think about this having one of their academics (& they only have four or five full timers) live 2500 km , not available on a M to F basis on campus- getting a fair shake for their HECS ??
Also understand the previous head of Griffith Aviation Paul Bates is now at USQ , and it would seem just set up a new aviation program there. Why did this guy leave ? , did other staff leave ?
Don't know enough about this to comment as they were both there when I did the program.
All a bit confusing really , is the program a good program ? & would people who have completed it recommend it ? It seems these Uni programs can get complicated with their relationships with flying schools.
I enjoyed the program, it was a good introduction to a field I really didn't know much about straight out of school. It gave me a little bit of time to mature up and get some exposure. I made some good lifelong friends during the course and I have the pleasure to work with some of them now.
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Understand Senior Lecturer Tarryn Killie actually lives in Tasmania and delivers her lectures by computer or something, and she is a program manager. This sounds like a highly unusual arrangement , I wonder how many other academics are employed full time as a senior lecturer in Australia & live 2500 km away from their place of work, whilst picking up a six figure salary. I wonder what the students think about this having one of their academics (& they only have four or five full timers) live 2500 km , not available on a M to F basis on campus- getting a fair shake for their HECS ??
as for the rest, butter popcorn?
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You talk about a lecturer who is based at one University campus giving lectures to other campuses
This is a scenario where a lecturer is based in a state 2500 km away from Griffith , where Griffith as no presence , beaming lectures back to Qld. I would say that would be highly unusual in the Aust University context.
How many full time lecturers do Melb / Monash / Deakin have that are based somewhere else in Australia - zero I would suggest.
The students clearly miss out on having someone who is collecting a full time wage from being around the aviation department. Available for extra time outside of tutorials , the casual chats in corridor , attending lab work/ functions. Able to drop in to their office at a whim with queries or ideas.
In other words the person just not being available for the normal student/staff interaction (& availability) that is typical of normal uni courses at normal Australian universities.
This is a scenario where a lecturer is based in a state 2500 km away from Griffith , where Griffith as no presence , beaming lectures back to Qld. I would say that would be highly unusual in the Aust University context.
How many full time lecturers do Melb / Monash / Deakin have that are based somewhere else in Australia - zero I would suggest.
The students clearly miss out on having someone who is collecting a full time wage from being around the aviation department. Available for extra time outside of tutorials , the casual chats in corridor , attending lab work/ functions. Able to drop in to their office at a whim with queries or ideas.
In other words the person just not being available for the normal student/staff interaction (& availability) that is typical of normal uni courses at normal Australian universities.
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You talk about a lecturer who is based at one University campus giving lectures to other campuses
This is a scenario where a lecturer is based in a state 2500 km away from Griffith , where Griffith as no presence , beaming lectures back to Qld. I would say that would be highly unusual in the Aust University context.
How many full time lecturers do Melb / Monash / Deakin have that are based somewhere else in Australia - zero I would suggest.
The students clearly miss out on having someone who is collecting a full time wage from being around the aviation department. Available for extra time outside of tutorials , the casual chats in corridor , attending lab work/ functions. Able to drop in to their office at a whim with queries or ideas.
In other words the person just not being available for the normal student/staff interaction (& availability) that is typical of normal uni courses at normal Australian universities.
This is a scenario where a lecturer is based in a state 2500 km away from Griffith , where Griffith as no presence , beaming lectures back to Qld. I would say that would be highly unusual in the Aust University context.
How many full time lecturers do Melb / Monash / Deakin have that are based somewhere else in Australia - zero I would suggest.
The students clearly miss out on having someone who is collecting a full time wage from being around the aviation department. Available for extra time outside of tutorials , the casual chats in corridor , attending lab work/ functions. Able to drop in to their office at a whim with queries or ideas.
In other words the person just not being available for the normal student/staff interaction (& availability) that is typical of normal uni courses at normal Australian universities.
Monash has campuses around Vic and in India, China, Italy, South Africa and Malaysia.
Deakin and Melbourne have campuses spread around Melbourne, Werribee, Shepparton, Warrnambool, Geelong etc etc etc. Now that may not quite be 2500k, but still a long way to walk to "chat to someone in a hallway"...
There are also a heap of other uni's with staff spread around Australia, just look at ACU.
I am curious though, what point are you trying to make precisely?
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Yes we all know that Unis have multi campuses , you are missing the point
This scenario just isn't common , in fact I think you would find that it virtually never occurs
The full time academics on Monash Malaysia or Monash south africa , work full time at those unis and teach face to face at those unis
Same deal for the Deakin campuses.
Although unis often record lectures digitally. The fact is that 99.9 % of lectures by Uni A for courses at Uni A , by staff employed by Uni A are delivered face to face at Uni A to the students at Uni A by lecturer A who is employed full time by Uni A. Because as
a full time employer of Uni A , the expectation is that Lecturer A delivers classes face to face
Monash doesn't have academics who for example are paid to teach full time at their Clayton campus , but reside in Mozambique , and beam their lectures in from Africa.
Challenge you to find one set up that is in any way equivalent to this one. That is a full time academic at Uni A in State A , but resides in State B where Uni A has no campus
It just doesn't happen
My point is , are the Griff Uni students getting a fair shake for the HECS dollar ?
This scenario just isn't common , in fact I think you would find that it virtually never occurs
The full time academics on Monash Malaysia or Monash south africa , work full time at those unis and teach face to face at those unis
Same deal for the Deakin campuses.
Although unis often record lectures digitally. The fact is that 99.9 % of lectures by Uni A for courses at Uni A , by staff employed by Uni A are delivered face to face at Uni A to the students at Uni A by lecturer A who is employed full time by Uni A. Because as
a full time employer of Uni A , the expectation is that Lecturer A delivers classes face to face
Monash doesn't have academics who for example are paid to teach full time at their Clayton campus , but reside in Mozambique , and beam their lectures in from Africa.
Challenge you to find one set up that is in any way equivalent to this one. That is a full time academic at Uni A in State A , but resides in State B where Uni A has no campus
It just doesn't happen
My point is , are the Griff Uni students getting a fair shake for the HECS dollar ?
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A lot of staff delivering lectures arnt actually paid staff, a lot are PhD students. most medical studies labs and practical lessons are done by PhD students. with the lecturer or course administrator in contact via internet. i dont see why aviation subjects would be conducted in a different manner.
What about the online students? They never get to see the lecturer face to face and they are also paying HECS. Its not an Avocca College course so what is your problem? Don't tell me you failed an aviation degree as well as a cadet selection course?
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Clearly the res ponders don't have too much of an idea about how things work at regular Unis
But then again why would Aussie pilots know this most are under-educated & never attended a tier 1 (group of 8) or tier 2 uni.
At best most did an aviation degree & aside from UNSW these unis are all ranked well down in world rankings 300 +
Not meaning this as an offense really just a statement of fact, Aust pilots aren't particularly well educated , and they don't need to as they are in a vocation not a profession. Aust Pilots rave on the challenges of ATPLs , get real man they can be done by a year 10 holder in six weeks.
Interesting that the new Head of Griffith Av was bought out from the UK where he was a Senior Lecturer , then promoted to full professor at Griffith. Thus skipping the rank of Associate Prof - again this isn't normal practice. But I think perhaps this wouldn't occur to some of the punters here
But then again why would Aussie pilots know this most are under-educated & never attended a tier 1 (group of 8) or tier 2 uni.
At best most did an aviation degree & aside from UNSW these unis are all ranked well down in world rankings 300 +
Not meaning this as an offense really just a statement of fact, Aust pilots aren't particularly well educated , and they don't need to as they are in a vocation not a profession. Aust Pilots rave on the challenges of ATPLs , get real man they can be done by a year 10 holder in six weeks.
Interesting that the new Head of Griffith Av was bought out from the UK where he was a Senior Lecturer , then promoted to full professor at Griffith. Thus skipping the rank of Associate Prof - again this isn't normal practice. But I think perhaps this wouldn't occur to some of the punters here
I am curious though, what point are you trying to make precisely?
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Not meaning this as an offense really just a statement of fact, Aust pilots aren't particularly well educated
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Probably took 20 years to get his arts degree
Maybe the lecturer is now 2,500km away because she had to get as far away from FBN wanting to have another whinge in the hallway about his poor grades and how it was someone else's fault...
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and here i was basing my observations on an Advanced Medical Sciences and medical degree being done by my wife, and my own UNSW degree. but no offence taken as we are all not educated enough to know that we should be.