Brave pilot/s in LWV
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Brave pilot/s in LWV
Just look at these two screen shots and for those who are in Brisbane, ask yourself would you be threading a low level needle around this stuff? And through bits at times with notable altitude excursions. 
Had I taken screen shots earlier, it would have looked worse than this.
It must have been an impressive show from their seats.
Had I taken screen shots earlier, it would have looked worse than this.
It must have been an impressive show from their seats.
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All good, it's a Cirrus and they have a parachute.
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Fathom, that is possible but the earlier overlays suggests not, and it was much closer than I would care to get. I am a chicken.
Those screen shots were the better ones, if you replay (imagine) it back in your mind or saw what it was like earlier….
I bet it was a fun ride, and nobody else was anywhere out there, big or small.
Those screen shots were the better ones, if you replay (imagine) it back in your mind or saw what it was like earlier….
I bet it was a fun ride, and nobody else was anywhere out there, big or small.
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Get a life……
Mind my own business…..
Geez some of you blokes need to harden up a little. And I thought I was soft.
It was an IFR flight I would imagine based on the planned levels. Perhaps they wisely managed to stay in VMC so to avoid the worst of it. It would have been good view of a good bit of wx for sure.
At no time was I criticising or condemning them. Just saying they are brave and they must have had an impressive view of it all. And asking the hypothetical question would you be out there in that? You blokes really need to read what was written and stop imagining stuff that wasn't.
I have diverted a long way around wx on many occasions, I will admit I would have given it a far bigger margin in a 145 knot machine, but I am a bit more conservative than some. The earlier radar images did not have the same margins as seen here.
As for close the macbook lid….sorry, do you turn your turbines off in flight? (Primary work tools etc) It is on all day mate, thanks for asking. And when I see some really ugly weather I will continue to click the BOM, and when folk I know are flying I will check on them, and probably be surprised when I see an SR20 in the middle of that muck again too. Hope you have a nice day 
More impressive pics Blackouts, traffic delays after storm
Mind my own business…..
Geez some of you blokes need to harden up a little. And I thought I was soft.
It was an IFR flight I would imagine based on the planned levels. Perhaps they wisely managed to stay in VMC so to avoid the worst of it. It would have been good view of a good bit of wx for sure.
At no time was I criticising or condemning them. Just saying they are brave and they must have had an impressive view of it all. And asking the hypothetical question would you be out there in that? You blokes really need to read what was written and stop imagining stuff that wasn't.
I have diverted a long way around wx on many occasions, I will admit I would have given it a far bigger margin in a 145 knot machine, but I am a bit more conservative than some. The earlier radar images did not have the same margins as seen here.
As for close the macbook lid….sorry, do you turn your turbines off in flight? (Primary work tools etc)
It is on all day mate, thanks for asking. And when I see some really ugly weather I will continue to click the BOM, and when folk I know are flying I will check on them, and probably be surprised when I see an SR20 in the middle of that muck again too. Hope you have a nice day More impressive pics Blackouts, traffic delays after storm
How dare you be concerned for the welfare of a fellow pilot Jabba, shame on you !
Of course nobody has ever crashed in bad weather before, or ended up VFR into IMC either...
Of course nobody has ever crashed in bad weather before, or ended up VFR into IMC either...
Wx radar images displayed on the web can be 10-20 minutes out of date, I am told by the BoM. At the speed a line like that travels, it is a brave man who tries to correlate images of two moving objects between two websites.
Most of us fly-for-work types* have found safe ways to work around CBs. It looks to me like these guys were probably in VMC and (intelligently) were behind the line.
The Radar picture + BoM warnings+Facebook hype+the way it looks from the ground can all add up to deceptive.
The picture in the air is quite often very different to the way you imagine it from the radar image. You of all people Jaba would know that!
*fly-for-work and gotta go if possible, not to be confused with "having a choice to drive". I can tell my pax to drive but it doesn't put food on the table. If I can find a safe way to do the job without raising the risk of the operation, I will.
Most of us fly-for-work types* have found safe ways to work around CBs. It looks to me like these guys were probably in VMC and (intelligently) were behind the line.
The Radar picture + BoM warnings+Facebook hype+the way it looks from the ground can all add up to deceptive.
The picture in the air is quite often very different to the way you imagine it from the radar image. You of all people Jaba would know that!
*fly-for-work and gotta go if possible, not to be confused with "having a choice to drive". I can tell my pax to drive but it doesn't put food on the table. If I can find a safe way to do the job without raising the risk of the operation, I will.
The line main was east of Archerfield when they landed. The stuff over Archerfield had also weakened into rain areas with a high base as well. Mischievous alarmist bunk to start this thread.
Pity you didn't include a few screen shots from the BoM Automated Thunderstorm Alert Service (ATSAS). Stormy weather...
Investigation: 200100213 - Boeing Co 737-476, VH-TJX
Love the "...it’s as black as the ace of spades." quote
And the lessons learnt were...
Investigation: 200100213 - Boeing Co 737-476, VH-TJX
On 18 January 2001, VH-TJX, a Boeing 737-476 aircraft, encountered microburst windshear at 0729 EST while conducting a go-around from runway 19 at Brisbane aerodrome during an intense thunderstorm.
And the lessons learnt were...
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As sagan has pointed out, they were behind the main line of it when they landed. I do believe when I took that pair of screen shots they were in between the two lines and I agree most likely carefully maintaining a safe distance behind it.
This thread was not to start some form of ATSB enquiry….nor was it to bash the pilots.
But had ANY OF YOU seen the images from the BOM radar while they were off the top of the screen shot when they were turning around and running NE before going around the back of it, then you might see why I wondered if it were brave flying into it, which is what they were doing earlier. They made appropriate decisions after that.
Leafie……you are correct, the images usually are delayed (6 minutes) and are time stamped, so there is not much you can't work out for yourself.
Also back to sagan's comment…..
Not one bit of mischief in mind, I did not post any kind of "what kind of fool would be flying in this weather" comments at all. I thought that the initial segment of the flight was a bit brave and the subsequent ride behind the storm front to have been a good view of what was an impressive line of storms.
If you feel alarmed that is your emotional reaction. Certainly not mine. Not every thread on prune has to be about muck raking and creating trouble.
Leafie makes a valid point though, *fly-for-work and gotta go if possible, not to be confused with "having a choice to drive". I can tell my pax to drive but it doesn't put food on the table. If I can find a safe way to do the job without raising the risk of the operation, I will.
This was not a C441 and most likely a PVT flight in an SR20. Myself, I would have waited for the front to go through, it did not take long. I too have flown wide tracks around storms, but YCDR to YBAF ….if I wanted to get away from potential hail I would go more north and then south rather than the westerly track into it and a smoother ride. This was never about what I would do Vs what they did….and that is not the point of this thread
You guys seem to want to make more out of this than its worth.
This thread was not to start some form of ATSB enquiry….nor was it to bash the pilots.
But had ANY OF YOU seen the images from the BOM radar while they were off the top of the screen shot when they were turning around and running NE before going around the back of it, then you might see why I wondered if it were brave flying into it, which is what they were doing earlier. They made appropriate decisions after that.
Leafie……you are correct, the images usually are delayed (6 minutes) and are time stamped, so there is not much you can't work out for yourself.
Also back to sagan's comment…..
Mischievous alarmist bunk to start this thread.
If you feel alarmed that is your emotional reaction. Certainly not mine. Not every thread on prune has to be about muck raking and creating trouble.
Leafie makes a valid point though, *fly-for-work and gotta go if possible, not to be confused with "having a choice to drive". I can tell my pax to drive but it doesn't put food on the table. If I can find a safe way to do the job without raising the risk of the operation, I will.
This was not a C441 and most likely a PVT flight in an SR20. Myself, I would have waited for the front to go through, it did not take long. I too have flown wide tracks around storms, but YCDR to YBAF ….if I wanted to get away from potential hail I would go more north and then south rather than the westerly track into it and a smoother ride. This was never about what I would do Vs what they did….and that is not the point of this thread
You guys seem to want to make more out of this than its worth.
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Interesting thread - I'm on your side Jaba.
If anything it's educational and will hopefully make some inexperienced pilots think a little longer about whether they have skills and experience to navigate in such conditions.
The track suggests (pure speculation of course) there was some indecision due W of Sunshine Coast because of the reversal, and then continuation on a NW heading. Tracking then continued S and SE skirting the WX and the run to Archerfield was behind the worst of it.
Not the sort of WX I'd like to be flying near but your detractors here are probably are so much more experienced than you and I and know everything there is about WX avoidance.
Maybe the pilot of LWV reads Pprune and could end the speculation.
If anything it's educational and will hopefully make some inexperienced pilots think a little longer about whether they have skills and experience to navigate in such conditions.
The track suggests (pure speculation of course) there was some indecision due W of Sunshine Coast because of the reversal, and then continuation on a NW heading. Tracking then continued S and SE skirting the WX and the run to Archerfield was behind the worst of it.
Not the sort of WX I'd like to be flying near but your detractors here are probably are so much more experienced than you and I and know everything there is about WX avoidance.
Maybe the pilot of LWV reads Pprune and could end the speculation.