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Old 14th Sep 2015, 00:06
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Incident that could have dwarfed lockhart river

Over a week ago, Thorn Bird put on a post with words to the effect, that an incident “could have dwarfed Lockhart River”. No information seemed to have come out about this, can anyone give some details, I believe it’s very important we know what actually went on. Has this been put on the ATSB website or has it been kept a secret?
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Old 14th Sep 2015, 02:21
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It's easy enough to produce hints of incidents that could have been disasters - but failing to provide details does nothing for the posters credibility.
If the OP really has serious concerns about another pilot whose attitude to safety and adherence to regulations is highly suspect, then the obligation is on them to ensure that they make notes and report their concerns to authorities.
If the OP is referring to ATC failure events that could have ended in major disaster, then the ATSB lists numerous of these events, all of which have no doubt led to improvements and recognition of the failures that led to those events.
The fact the reported ATC failures did not lead to any major disaster indicates that the robust back-ups designed to address ATC failures worked as designed - and to offer up alarmist statements that one of these events could have "dwarfed Lockhart River", is on a par with some of the worst gutter journalism that regularly assaults us.
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Old 14th Sep 2015, 03:03
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Has this got something to do with a coal loader at Newcastle? If so it could well have dwarfed LHR.
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There was a Rex SAAB that tried to land there visually one night not long back if my prune memory is working. No doubt an ATSB report on that.

What else has happened?
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are you talking about this one?

http://blogs.crikey.com.au/planetalk...stle-stuff-up/
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Emirates out of Melbourne and Virgin into Mildura?
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Old 14th Sep 2015, 04:46
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Dick I actually asked Thorn Bird to back that statement up with a bit more detail and unsurprisingly he went very quiet. Like a lot of what TB posts its usually emotive and lacking any substance. He is probably in his version of aviation Nirvana and setting up an airline in NZ.
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Old 14th Sep 2015, 19:09
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Anyone know why it took two years and four months to produce the final report on the REX incident into Newcastle? Just saying.
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Old 14th Sep 2015, 22:33
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Ask the National Party executive.
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Old 14th Sep 2015, 23:29
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I think we are looking for an incident which happened in the last 10 days or so.
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Old 15th Sep 2015, 02:36
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Why don't you PM Thorn Bird Dick? He sees to be the only person who knows anything about it and has gone MIA.
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I have done this. I note that many pilots are very concerned about making statements about safety issues .

Many phone me with info but are concerned about having any link to the information.

A bit like the old USSR.
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Old 16th Sep 2015, 07:24
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So did you get an answer Dick and in your opinion is it something that could have dwarfed Lockhart River? I think the incident that could have dwarfed LR was the 737 effectively autolanding in the fog at MIA, but that is very much in the public domain.

There is a difference between making statements about safety issues and not reporting an incident that has the potential to "dwarf Lockhart River". The original statement made by TB was either hyperbole or BS.
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Lockhart River was 15 deaths. So " dwarfing" means a lot more.

Suggest look at The Australian tomorrow morning.
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Old 16th Sep 2015, 09:56
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In the old USSR Dick you would have been sent to the gulag for being a capitalist pig and the Australian would not exist. All this intrigue is puerile. I thought that you weren't afraid to state things as they are but I can see you just want to play the same stupid games you accuse others of playing.
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Sunny. Possibly the newspaper report could encourage those in CASA or AsA to address an important safety issue .

As you would know both have resisted using our existing radar to provide class E separation and MSA services when in IMC at non tower airports.

Many have said we will need an accident killing a large number of people before such changes are made.

It would be great for Australia if we could make the changes before too many more deaths like the ones at Benalla and Mount Hotham.
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The tiny bit of relevance The Australian had disappeared on Monday night ...
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Old 16th Sep 2015, 12:32
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Hi Dick

A minor point, but enroute controllers cannot use a MSA unless an aircraft is on a published ATS route.

In CTA, ATC are responsible for terrain clearance.That means that if you are in IMC, and not on a published route, you will Not be getting a descent clearance below the grid LSALT.
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Old 16th Sep 2015, 14:14
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Yes. No doubt what happens in Australia. Why not copy the safer North American system where IFR are in controlled airspace.

It's where most safe aircraft come from!
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Old 16th Sep 2015, 21:03
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When we can get VHF and surveillance in that E you might get some support. In means inside all of the E for all IFR aircraft.

Hervey Bay, right in the middle of the ministers electorate has not got it. My last RNAV, into YNRM ….I have to cancel IFR between the FAF and MAP because thats where the VHF runs out. Hardly in the GAFA in both of those places. Cant get a departure IFR once on the ground.
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