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I recently started a thread in relation to $400,000 in modifications required on a Citation 7 to be imported into Australia. Tidbinbilla closed the thread, saying
In fact, I don’t know of any Citation 7s that are flown by private pilots. In this particular case it was a commercial company that was planning to import the Citation 7 to Australia and to employ quite a number of professional pilots to fly the aircraft. The aircraft is now not coming so the professional pilots will now not have a job opportunity. What could be more applicable to a professional pilots’ forum?
This would be more appropriate on an aircraft owners forum. This forum is for professional pilots.
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Must admit, I was wondering the same thing. Prematurely cut short I thought. And this wasn't the only one. It's their train set I guess, but its not exactly encouraging people to participate wielding the axe so quickly..!
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The blokes who own tho company are not rich. That's why they did not bring the aircraft to australia.
Rich people are not effected by the CASA expensive regulations.
Ask Jamie Packer if the unique requirements would stop him from operating an aircraft here.
Probably leave it on the FAA register and use US pilots.
That's why it is important that if we are supporters of Australia that this type of exposure be allowed on prune. Not censored.
Rich people are not effected by the CASA expensive regulations.
Ask Jamie Packer if the unique requirements would stop him from operating an aircraft here.
Probably leave it on the FAA register and use US pilots.
That's why it is important that if we are supporters of Australia that this type of exposure be allowed on prune. Not censored.
Dick, how about a bit of a heads up on the type of modifications you are talking about. A quick google shows a full top down upgrade four screens and boxes for the Honeywell SPZ tops out at $350k stateside....exactly what are you specifying?
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$350k stateside well over $400 k here
I am not specifying any equipment. Just passing on the statement from an extremely frustrated small business operator who wanted to bring a Citation 7 from Europe to Aus.
Oze. Have you noticed the continued downturn in GA in the last decade or so.?
It should be growing like just about everything else.
Any views on why Bankstown would go from nearly 500 k movements per annum to less than 280k ?
I think it's most likely caused by the one way ratchet in increased CASA imposed costs . Any other views?
The Coalition was elected on a policy of removing uneccessary red tape costs. Has this been complied with by casa ?
And I bet the US quote does not include a FDR. Not required in the US.
I am not specifying any equipment. Just passing on the statement from an extremely frustrated small business operator who wanted to bring a Citation 7 from Europe to Aus.
Oze. Have you noticed the continued downturn in GA in the last decade or so.?
It should be growing like just about everything else.
Any views on why Bankstown would go from nearly 500 k movements per annum to less than 280k ?
I think it's most likely caused by the one way ratchet in increased CASA imposed costs . Any other views?
The Coalition was elected on a policy of removing uneccessary red tape costs. Has this been complied with by casa ?
And I bet the US quote does not include a FDR. Not required in the US.
It's their train set I guess, but its not exactly encouraging people to participate wielding the axe so quickly..!
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Ah Australia, hopelessly pedantic and anal while espousing the loveable larrikin image - you don't see so many threads closed for petty reasons on the other forums. Tid is just the pprune incarnation of a bigger problem.
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Still can see no reason why thread closed!
Yes it's a professional network/rumor site, and it was a very relevant topic.
CASA will simply force people to bring aircraft in and operate on foreign register if private ops.
I pity the operator that must make it VH and charter ops.
Just as well it's not a small private operator first of type for the PC24!!!
Hey Dick would throwing it on the ZK register and using the pond agreement work like Vuncint did?
Shame one has to float the rules.
Yes it's a professional network/rumor site, and it was a very relevant topic.
CASA will simply force people to bring aircraft in and operate on foreign register if private ops.
I pity the operator that must make it VH and charter ops.
Just as well it's not a small private operator first of type for the PC24!!!
Hey Dick would throwing it on the ZK register and using the pond agreement work like Vuncint did?
Shame one has to float the rules.
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Pretty clear it was closed because Tidbinbilla did not want this issue openly canvassed.
Possibly he should explain the reason on this thread.
No wonder visits to this site are reducing. That won't impress the owners who make their money from the number if hits.
Possibly he should explain the reason on this thread.
No wonder visits to this site are reducing. That won't impress the owners who make their money from the number if hits.
Still amazes me the difference between what gets locked here and the stuff that runs it's full course in the fragrant harbour.
At least the Australian forums are consistant with reality! Regulated to death!
At least the Australian forums are consistant with reality! Regulated to death!
I'm amazed at the negativity on this site at times. We need to celebrate good jobs and people having a "go"....
Dick was pointing out that the extra costs of operating aircraft in Australia vs. say the USA is not a safety issue but an economic one and more aircraft flying here means more good pilot positions as well as business [read employment] for those that maintain and service them.
Why do we require different standards????
Dick was pointing out that the extra costs of operating aircraft in Australia vs. say the USA is not a safety issue but an economic one and more aircraft flying here means more good pilot positions as well as business [read employment] for those that maintain and service them.
Why do we require different standards????
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Yes, let's hear it Tid!
We can discuss jabiru engines, Hoxton Park and v-tails for ever and ever, but a very relevant question on a very real issue concerning a high performance, multi-crew jet above 5700kg is ruled out of order as this forum is only for 'professional pilots'? Really?
We can discuss jabiru engines, Hoxton Park and v-tails for ever and ever, but a very relevant question on a very real issue concerning a high performance, multi-crew jet above 5700kg is ruled out of order as this forum is only for 'professional pilots'? Really?
I keep feeling the urge to Look Left over my shoulder, but alas I don't see any moderators nearby 
Don't forget LOP operations.
We can discuss jabiru engines, Hoxton Park and v-tails for ever and ever, but a very relevant question on a very real issue concerning a high performance, multi-crew jet above 5700kg is ruled out of order as this forum is only for 'professional pilots'? Really?
Dick,
The advice your friend has been given is wrong, the Cessna 650 was issued with an Australian type acceptance data sheet in 1999.
http://www.casa.gov.au/wcmswr/_asset...nload/a160.pdf
It will not be the first of type, there is also no requirement to get an aircraft prepared for an Australian CofA in Australia, it is a commercial decision where they choose to do the work.
A decent prepurchase inspection would identify the work required to meet the Australian requirements, and that would be factored into the purchase price.
Sounds like there is avionics work to be done, which maybe a lot cheaper if the aircraft flew via the US enroute to Australia.
The advice your friend has been given is wrong, the Cessna 650 was issued with an Australian type acceptance data sheet in 1999.
http://www.casa.gov.au/wcmswr/_asset...nload/a160.pdf
It will not be the first of type, there is also no requirement to get an aircraft prepared for an Australian CofA in Australia, it is a commercial decision where they choose to do the work.
A decent prepurchase inspection would identify the work required to meet the Australian requirements, and that would be factored into the purchase price.
Sounds like there is avionics work to be done, which maybe a lot cheaper if the aircraft flew via the US enroute to Australia.
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Dick, you almost had my sympathy, right up until your unsubstantiated post referring to the possible employment of the moderator. He/she could also be QF/Jetstar/RAAF or completely unrelated to the industry. That is completely irrelevant, and simply encourages the divide that is fatally affecting the industry as a whole. You're the first to piss and moan about people playing the man not the ball. You can do good for the industry, but that ain't it.
