Your leg or simply your take off?
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I dont know which side of 45 is better, but I'm about on the dividing line anyhow.
I thank captains - and others - for many things, including offering me the benefit of their experience. Courtesy, respect & manners as you say. But the days when copilots were gifted legs at the goodwill of the captain are long gone. These days, we might be gifted a special leg, or an extra leg, or offered tips on being better pilots. In those cases, thanks boss!
Not qualified to comment on whether the change is a good thing or not.
I know a captain who thanks his FOs for their help after each duty. Nice guy, friendly to all. It puzzles me though why I should be thanked for doing my job. I don't quite know how to respond! Perhaps I've seen a few too many pilots who think they deserve to be thanked just for doing their jobs.
This thread reminds me of the long-term FO who retired without ever gaining command. His words at the farewell do:
"To all the captains who taught me what to do, to be a better pilot - thank you.
To all the captains who taught me what not to do, to be a better pilot - thank you.
To the captains who taught me nothing at all - thanks for nothing."
I thank captains - and others - for many things, including offering me the benefit of their experience. Courtesy, respect & manners as you say. But the days when copilots were gifted legs at the goodwill of the captain are long gone. These days, we might be gifted a special leg, or an extra leg, or offered tips on being better pilots. In those cases, thanks boss!
Not qualified to comment on whether the change is a good thing or not.
I know a captain who thanks his FOs for their help after each duty. Nice guy, friendly to all. It puzzles me though why I should be thanked for doing my job. I don't quite know how to respond! Perhaps I've seen a few too many pilots who think they deserve to be thanked just for doing their jobs.
This thread reminds me of the long-term FO who retired without ever gaining command. His words at the farewell do:
"To all the captains who taught me what to do, to be a better pilot - thank you.
To all the captains who taught me what not to do, to be a better pilot - thank you.
To the captains who taught me nothing at all - thanks for nothing."
Last edited by Oktas8; 29th Apr 2015 at 13:01.
Interesting points
Page 2 discussed, I'll add.
Who remembers Sully's FO?
Who was DeCrispy (QF380) FO,SFO, Check Captain?
and on it goes.....
All I'm saying is it's the Captain in command. There is PF, PNF but even when PNF the Capt is still in command.
Problem now is the new generation pilot thinks they deserve a command when they hit minimum hours. LCC has bred this and yes it still happens, not as bad as a few years ago.
What I've got 3000 hours so where's my command? The sense of entitlement???
Anyway leg for leg I see no problem, when the wx turns below FO mins there is no choice who takes off or lands.
I personally like to give FOs more challenging approaches within legal limits, how else does the new breed learn? Certainly not flogging around our back and beyond, on Candain waterways or Midwest USA...
Hnmm that sounded rantish, time for another red!
Who remembers Sully's FO?
Who was DeCrispy (QF380) FO,SFO, Check Captain?
and on it goes.....
All I'm saying is it's the Captain in command. There is PF, PNF but even when PNF the Capt is still in command.
Problem now is the new generation pilot thinks they deserve a command when they hit minimum hours. LCC has bred this and yes it still happens, not as bad as a few years ago.
What I've got 3000 hours so where's my command? The sense of entitlement???
Anyway leg for leg I see no problem, when the wx turns below FO mins there is no choice who takes off or lands.
I personally like to give FOs more challenging approaches within legal limits, how else does the new breed learn? Certainly not flogging around our back and beyond, on Candain waterways or Midwest USA...
Hnmm that sounded rantish, time for another red!
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Reminds me of a 'story' of a max weight VH registered B737-200
"ATC: can you accept FL370?"
"Capt: Affirm"
"ATC: Roger, climb to FL370, report maintaining"
Capt dials back ZFW in the box, a/c wobbles to FL368
"F/O: Tell him we can't make FL370 and get us back
down to 35 or I'll punch your lights out"
"Capt: I'll have your bars for this, this is a mutiny"....
edit: apparently the aerobridge scene was something to behold..
"ATC: can you accept FL370?"
"Capt: Affirm"
"ATC: Roger, climb to FL370, report maintaining"
Capt dials back ZFW in the box, a/c wobbles to FL368
"F/O: Tell him we can't make FL370 and get us back
down to 35 or I'll punch your lights out"
"Capt: I'll have your bars for this, this is a mutiny"....
edit: apparently the aerobridge scene was something to behold..
Last edited by Hempy; 30th Apr 2015 at 12:39.
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CVD --- Continuous Vertical Descent, a description of where Australian GA is headed.
And at an increasing rate of descent as well!
