To all those looking for a new job.
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To all those looking for a new job.
I like many other CP or HRD Managers receive many pilot applications every day.
I don't have time to read them all and will cull many from their initial email.
If you don't meet the minimum requirements then don't apply.. You are just proving that you are not professional and will not be joining our company.
Read the adverts very carefully. Most have very specific requirements that only a very few individuals will qualify for.
Make sure your CV is a maximum of 2 pages and includes your hours, types, current and previous aviation related employment..
We are not interested at all in the fact that you worked for McD or KFC
Only provide relevant information.
I have very limited internet with terrible download speed. If its your first contact with us, send your CV and cover letter ONLY.. I do not need to see your entire logbook or license at this point. If we are interested in you we will request these at a later date.
If you dont research us and know who we are, where and what we fly you will not get the job.
Do not send an email that has only the attachment. These get trashed immediately
Do not sent an email that outlines your entire CV
A short introduction no more than two paragraphs will suffice.
If you follow the above you have a good chance of getting your CV at least read and not immediately trashed.
Good Luck
Andrew
I don't have time to read them all and will cull many from their initial email.
If you don't meet the minimum requirements then don't apply.. You are just proving that you are not professional and will not be joining our company.
Read the adverts very carefully. Most have very specific requirements that only a very few individuals will qualify for.
Make sure your CV is a maximum of 2 pages and includes your hours, types, current and previous aviation related employment..
We are not interested at all in the fact that you worked for McD or KFC
Only provide relevant information.
I have very limited internet with terrible download speed. If its your first contact with us, send your CV and cover letter ONLY.. I do not need to see your entire logbook or license at this point. If we are interested in you we will request these at a later date.
If you dont research us and know who we are, where and what we fly you will not get the job.
Do not send an email that has only the attachment. These get trashed immediately
Do not sent an email that outlines your entire CV
A short introduction no more than two paragraphs will suffice.
If you follow the above you have a good chance of getting your CV at least read and not immediately trashed.
Good Luck
Andrew
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So what if someone includes that they worked for KFC or Pizza Hut? It shows they can hold down a job and probably didn't rely on mummy and daddy to pay for all their training. There are many different opinions on resume layout, content and length. What you consider terrible, someone else might think is good quality.
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So what if someone includes that they worked for KFC or Pizza Hut?
The OP has good advice. Time at Maccas is as irrelevant as the fact that you were in Girl Guides as a teenager.
Stick to RELEVANT aviation experience. Time on the hangar floor spinning spanners would probably be of interest, time sweeping the floor less so. Mention that at the interview, if you get that far. A succinct cv will help you get that far; four pages of bull**** will guarantee that you don't.
Stick to RELEVANT aviation experience. Time on the hangar floor spinning spanners would probably be of interest, time sweeping the floor less so. Mention that at the interview, if you get that far. A succinct cv will help you get that far; four pages of bull**** will guarantee that you don't.
If the application is a) in response to an advertisement and b) addresses ALL the selection criteria, in the format requested, then it would be common courtesy to respond - even if only with a non committal letter of rejection.
But if either or both of a) and b) do not apply, Chief Pilots usually have more pressing responsibilities.
But if either or both of a) and b) do not apply, Chief Pilots usually have more pressing responsibilities.
McDonalds certainly has relevance, especially if you were a manager or team leader.
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Dear Chief Pilots
If you would like your applications filled out in a certain font at a certain size with no more than 147 words then send out a bloody proforma and we will fill it in. Unless training has been significantly improved, mind reading is not a pre requisite.
Having given up all hope of scoring the coveted 40k a year job I'm not at all concerned about saying that the pretentious old men that infest Australian aviation contribute directly to decline in standards that they bloody whinge about. You want the best but pay nothing, and complain when people respond to your ads?
Pilots should shop around for employers, but employers should get their perfect product walking thorough the door? No effort required? How about a realistic ad..... Dear applicant, I have a couple of flogged out old warriors and a 182, I'm offering you the opportunity to operate these for bugger all money, in a poxy old Sh!ithole and you will be forever grateful.
I don't know Skydive Andy and have never applied for a job there, but f@ck me why would I?
If you would like your applications filled out in a certain font at a certain size with no more than 147 words then send out a bloody proforma and we will fill it in. Unless training has been significantly improved, mind reading is not a pre requisite.
Having given up all hope of scoring the coveted 40k a year job I'm not at all concerned about saying that the pretentious old men that infest Australian aviation contribute directly to decline in standards that they bloody whinge about. You want the best but pay nothing, and complain when people respond to your ads?
Pilots should shop around for employers, but employers should get their perfect product walking thorough the door? No effort required? How about a realistic ad..... Dear applicant, I have a couple of flogged out old warriors and a 182, I'm offering you the opportunity to operate these for bugger all money, in a poxy old Sh!ithole and you will be forever grateful.
I don't know Skydive Andy and have never applied for a job there, but f@ck me why would I?
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Well, after having driven heavy truck and trailer units for 10 years, since i was 16 before i did my CPL, then moving countries and becoming a branch manager for a large rental company, then logistics manager for a mining company.
I would certainly agree, any managerial experience is important. Regardless if it's with KFC, or Joe Bloggs.
I would certainly agree, any managerial experience is important. Regardless if it's with KFC, or Joe Bloggs.
Why do Ausi GA bosses all seem to be narcissistic tools?
Seriously , it seems at least half of them are.
It certainly is a good feeling to leave them in the dust that's for sure
Seriously , it seems at least half of them are.
It certainly is a good feeling to leave them in the dust that's for sure
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Dear Chief Pilots
If you would like your applications filled out in a certain font at a certain size with no more than 147 words then send out a bloody proforma and we will fill it in. Unless training has been significantly improved, mind reading is not a pre requisite.
Having given up all hope of scoring the coveted 40k a year job I'm not at all concerned about saying that the pretentious old men that infest Australian aviation contribute directly to decline in standards that they bloody whinge about. You want the best but pay nothing, and complain when people respond to your ads?
Pilots should shop around for employers, but employers should get their perfect product walking thorough the door? No effort required? How about a realistic ad..... Dear applicant, I have a couple of flogged out old warriors and a 182, I'm offering you the opportunity to operate these for bugger all money, in a poxy old Sh!ithole and you will be forever grateful.
I don't know Skydive Andy and have never applied for a job there, but f@ck me why would I?
If you would like your applications filled out in a certain font at a certain size with no more than 147 words then send out a bloody proforma and we will fill it in. Unless training has been significantly improved, mind reading is not a pre requisite.
Having given up all hope of scoring the coveted 40k a year job I'm not at all concerned about saying that the pretentious old men that infest Australian aviation contribute directly to decline in standards that they bloody whinge about. You want the best but pay nothing, and complain when people respond to your ads?
Pilots should shop around for employers, but employers should get their perfect product walking thorough the door? No effort required? How about a realistic ad..... Dear applicant, I have a couple of flogged out old warriors and a 182, I'm offering you the opportunity to operate these for bugger all money, in a poxy old Sh!ithole and you will be forever grateful.
I don't know Skydive Andy and have never applied for a job there, but f@ck me why would I?
I saw guys like this laughing at kids CVs and binning them 20 years ago (when I was a kid).
What a shame that nothing has changed, including the wage by the sounds!
Big bunch of heros looking down your noses at kids that are barely out of school, 20 years of pprune and a CV thread must have popped up what... every couple months? Always belittling the quality of the applicants, how about a bit of empathy and encouragement, nah not my job, life's tough....
This whole forum scarcely moves from one week to the next these days, you curmudgeons just about have the place to yourselves now..
What a shame that nothing has changed, including the wage by the sounds!
Big bunch of heros looking down your noses at kids that are barely out of school, 20 years of pprune and a CV thread must have popped up what... every couple months? Always belittling the quality of the applicants, how about a bit of empathy and encouragement, nah not my job, life's tough....
This whole forum scarcely moves from one week to the next these days, you curmudgeons just about have the place to yourselves now..
I have never met him and certainly have no interest in flying for him (well past it) but I see Andy takes a serious approach to recruiting and offers genuine advice to those who want a leg up in their aviation careers.
Having been one of those pretentious old man chief pilots who has given more than a few a start in careers that went on to bigger things, I empathise with his frustration with young dumb and full of ....m types who think that because they got a licence last month someone else now needs to do all the work to recruit and train them.
If you need a pro forma you probably do not realise that part of his selection criteria is likely to involve assessing whether you have basic comprehension skills.
If you have a problem with his recruiting technique, you do not have to apply.
Having been one of those pretentious old man chief pilots who has given more than a few a start in careers that went on to bigger things, I empathise with his frustration with young dumb and full of ....m types who think that because they got a licence last month someone else now needs to do all the work to recruit and train them.
If you need a pro forma you probably do not realise that part of his selection criteria is likely to involve assessing whether you have basic comprehension skills.
If you have a problem with his recruiting technique, you do not have to apply.
I have crossed paths with multiple aviators in my life who I have later found applied for and obtained positions, that they didn't 100% fulfill all requirements beforehand.
How is this proving to be "not professional" ?
Granted yes, a 200hr CPL guy/gal applying for the RFDS is pushing it, but to totally write people off just because they don't explicitly meet every requirement is such a stupid mind sense.
Glad not everyone doing the hiring these days thinks like you.
How is this proving to be "not professional" ?
Granted yes, a 200hr CPL guy/gal applying for the RFDS is pushing it, but to totally write people off just because they don't explicitly meet every requirement is such a stupid mind sense.
Glad not everyone doing the hiring these days thinks like you.
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Damm!!! you're lucky enough to be getting CV's that you can afford to bin most of them without even reading the applicants name...
DANG I wish I was that Lucky!
You don't have time to read a 4 page CV...that 4 pages might only be relevant aviation experience...but you need someone?
How about delegation? Your partner? The receptionist.. Your existing employee's.....you obviously have a criteria. Let some others help sift through the applications, put the criteria down on paper, and if it doesn't match then its ruled out, then have a standard rejection letter printed out...even if its printed and the name is hand written.
Dear XXXX, thank you for your application, but your CV indicates you do not meet the criteria that we seek.. We wish you well, and please feel free to apply again when you meet our requirements.
Dear ZZZZ, we feel that you are over qualified for the position available. We wish you well in your endeavours
To not reply lowers you below the level of the person that couldn't read the requirements.... the old...they don't bother replying to applications is a bigger noise than the silly muppet can't read.
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IF you want only certain questions answered, it is not hard to create an online form, from which people can apply. You can dictate the questions, and you only get the answers you want.
I applied for a position with Suncorp as a Motor Loss Adjuster a couple of years back. The initial application was a phone call to get the address for a web based application. Once you filled that out, if you met the criteria, then you were invited to submit your full CV. It was an interesting approach.
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I ran this Advert a few years ago, in an area of high unemployment, with very limited local oppurtunites outside of growing berries.
Wanted Apprentice Panel Beater.
Minimum Year 10 Pass in Maths and English, and a knowledge of basic hand tools.
Award wage and entitlements.
Take a punt on the number of applications!
DANG I wish I was that Lucky!
You don't have time to read a 4 page CV...that 4 pages might only be relevant aviation experience...but you need someone?
How about delegation? Your partner? The receptionist.. Your existing employee's.....you obviously have a criteria. Let some others help sift through the applications, put the criteria down on paper, and if it doesn't match then its ruled out, then have a standard rejection letter printed out...even if its printed and the name is hand written.
Dear XXXX, thank you for your application, but your CV indicates you do not meet the criteria that we seek.. We wish you well, and please feel free to apply again when you meet our requirements.
Dear ZZZZ, we feel that you are over qualified for the position available. We wish you well in your endeavours
To not reply lowers you below the level of the person that couldn't read the requirements.... the old...they don't bother replying to applications is a bigger noise than the silly muppet can't read.
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IF you want only certain questions answered, it is not hard to create an online form, from which people can apply. You can dictate the questions, and you only get the answers you want.
I applied for a position with Suncorp as a Motor Loss Adjuster a couple of years back. The initial application was a phone call to get the address for a web based application. Once you filled that out, if you met the criteria, then you were invited to submit your full CV. It was an interesting approach.
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I ran this Advert a few years ago, in an area of high unemployment, with very limited local oppurtunites outside of growing berries.
Wanted Apprentice Panel Beater.
Minimum Year 10 Pass in Maths and English, and a knowledge of basic hand tools.
Award wage and entitlements.
Take a punt on the number of applications!
What a hero this guy is. He's just so busy and important that he had to get this off his chest..
I'll bet he's still sifting through skydiving pilot resumes in 10 years.
What a loser..
I'll bet he's still sifting through skydiving pilot resumes in 10 years.
What a loser..
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Andy,
While I appreciate that Dimonim has strict requirements (and says so on the advert) I recently didn't apply for an advertised position because I was about 100 hours short of one of the requirement.
Later on I found out that they took pilots with up to 500 hours less than what they were asking for. So here I am kicking myself.
While I appreciate that Dimonim has strict requirements (and says so on the advert) I recently didn't apply for an advertised position because I was about 100 hours short of one of the requirement.
Later on I found out that they took pilots with up to 500 hours less than what they were asking for. So here I am kicking myself.
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Dear applicant, I have a couple of flogged out old warriors and a 182, I'm offering you the opportunity to operate these for bugger all money, in a poxy old Sh!ithole and you will be forever grateful.
I don't know Skydive Andy and have never applied for a job there, but f@ck me why would I?
I don't know Skydive Andy and have never applied for a job there, but f@ck me why would I?
He'd weed you out in a heartbeat!