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Old 27th Mar 2015, 13:33
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I am surprised there is not already a thread.

Reported yesterday is a big CASA loss, and the intention to expand CASA charges to recoup the loss of some $25M???.**

It seems that Part 61 is costing CASA $$$ --- (no mention of what it is already costing the industry) and matters related to Part 61 will be a major new source of revenue.

See Friday's Australian.

This has the potential to seriously cripple an industry sector already on its knees, I suppose as the sector shrinks, CASA will just have to increase its charges to maintain the cash flow.

The $$$ "luxury" of a captive market.

Of course, CASA cutting its cost doesn't rate a mention.

Tootle pip!!

** Can't find the dope on the CASA web site, and there seems to be differences between what is in the CASA 13/14 annual report and the Australian story.

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Old 27th Mar 2015, 21:57
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I suppose as the sector shrinks, CASA will just have to increase its charges to maintain the cast flow.
But just think how "well regulated" and "safe" the ever-shrinking GA sector will be, as a consequence of the "services" provided by the regulator.

Mule-stupid regulations, adminstered by a mule-stupid regulator, left to breed like a feral pest by mule-stupid governments.
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Old 27th Mar 2015, 21:59
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One of the aviation activities that I had been doing for many years as a Grade 1 instructor now requires me to have flight examiner privileges. CASA requires me to do one of their courses - I found info about these new charges on their website - about $1000 for the course. Not enough work on this particular activity to warrant the expenses of a flight examiner rating. I will drop my Grade 1 instructor activities soon after. I guess that is CASA's intent to move people like me out of the business.
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Old 28th Mar 2015, 00:28
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We have two take away shops in Tearabaginhalf, another about to open. The local Council said it would bring extra business to the town. The $ take of the two shops will now be divided into three. So I guess it makes sense that the remaining two will have to increase prices to maintain a fair margin and employ extra staff to handle the extra business that the Council say will flood in as a result of their approval.
A Km down the road at Kickatinalong they only have Maccas. Poor buggas. They'll go broke soon because their Council don't have the free enterprise foresight of ours.
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Old 28th Mar 2015, 02:24
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CASA was told by Miniscule Albaneses office a couple of years ago that there would be no more '$89 million gifts' and any future monies that CASA required above their normal annual funding would have to come from service charges. It seems we are now entering that phase. My prediction is that the next impost on our already ailing industry will be the CAA model of the Regulator charging a fee to conduct it's annual audits of your AOC/COA. No doubt this will kick GA fair and squarely in the nuts once more. This way CASA can recoup some of their expenses outlaid, plus there will be a little left over in the kitty for Montreal junkets, pot plants and taxi fares, not to mention all that money that needs repaying to the taxpayer every time that an Inspectors corporate credit card 'accidentally' pays for a large screen TV or Gold Coast holiday when they walk past a Pay Wave machine
I would suggest that CASA start holding fetes, selling fairy floss from stalls set up alongside airport landing/takeoff viewing areas, selling bags of worm castings at The Circuit Brisbane, or perhaps selling autographed CASA caps and reflective vests?
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Old 28th Mar 2015, 03:21
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--- now requires me to have flight examiner privileges.
The original transition policy for Part 61 was that you would automatically receive the equivalent Part 61 rating as the "privileges" you already held.
Like so much of Part 61, what went into the book was not like the "agreed" policy, in many instances, the MOS fits the policy, but the actual ( as opposed to proposed regulations) regulations turned out "different".
Then the CASA internal "training" material and interpretation policy adds another layer of the unknown outcome.
Particularly with the newly announced charges, Part 61 is an even bigger disaster for aviation than any of us ever forecast.
Tootle pip!!

Re. your Flight Examiner rating, have a talk to the mob in Canberra at the reg. reform office.
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Old 28th Mar 2015, 07:53
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Fairy floss...

Soteria...CAsA have been "selling" fairy floss for decades, aka strangulation regulation...and you just have to choke on it.

In this Abbott/Hockey age of 'belt tightening' and 'no money', one would think the Government would require all agencies to introduce efficiencies and cut waste...and thus not need MORE money

But no user pays -user says with this mob ...its just.. cop this !

Here's a prime example of the fee buggery bizzo.

Workshop approval to change to another hangar* around the tarmac corner.
Bad enough that it took FOUR months, but the fee for the move was $1400.
How come that outrageous price says he?
Ah well says the whiny voiced paper shuffler...I HAVE TO MAKE UP MY WEEKLY AMOUNT
And of course if you dont pay, you dont get yr approval paperwork.
Seems like blackmail and racketeering to me.

* same LAME, same tools, same workshop approval just a change of hangar...where he had been before....and been inspected/audited in the past.

Ah the complexities of safety. AND the COST

CASA is indeed the sheltered workshop
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Old 28th Mar 2015, 08:18
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Bad enough that it took FOUR months, but the fee for the move was $1400.
How come that outrageous price says he?
Ah well says the whiny voiced paper shuffler...I HAVE TO MAKE UP MY WEEKLY AMOUNT
And of course if you dont pay, you dont get yr approval paperwork.
That is absolutely outrageous!!

It seems to me that the first thing we need is an INDEPENDENT and effective complaints process dealing with CASA.

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Old 28th Mar 2015, 08:31
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There was a complaints commissioner, trouble was a sharing of toothbrushes with the CEO!!!
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Old 28th Mar 2015, 09:33
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Who's listening...?

Nobody. Absolutely outrageous indeed.
But complain enough and you become marked for the "treatment", and you could lose yr workshop approval. No business. Down and done like a shot duck.

Another example from the same source..
Paperwork error by CAsA re helicopter max weight..should have been 3300. CAsA put in 3000. THEIR mistake...cost to correct..over $1000 to the approval holder. I kid you not.

Until there is a seriously INDEPENDENT Complaints Commissioner with very BIG teeth and biting powers, CAsA shall do what CAsA does.

Toothbrushes aside, they were both squeezing the same tube.

So you can see with CAsA and their "clients" as you are so called, its also known as fcuk the customer as well.
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Old 29th Mar 2015, 22:41
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Reported yesterday is a big CASA loss, and the intention to expand CASA charges to recoup the loss of some $25M???
Chicken feed to an organisation that can spend over $300 million and twenty seven years re-writing regulations, when New Zealand and Canada can accomplish the same task in five years at a fraction of the cost!
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Old 29th Mar 2015, 23:22
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Received this email over the weekend.

Flight International, Edition 3-9 March 2015, page 29 has an interesting report by Regulation Reporter, David Learmouth. David’s article is titled:

EASA mends the rules with tighter focus on outcomes

The executive director at Europe's safety agency has overseen a wholesale shift in mindset

If a regulator dismantles its rule making doctorate it is a sign that things are changing, and at EASA they are.

Executive director Patrick Ky took over the EASA top job in September 2013, and a year later he closed the rulemaking department. "If you have a rulemaking directorate," he explains, "the director is judged by how many rules he makes, or how many existing rules he 'improves'." The result, he says, is ever-fatter rule books, the content of which nobody could possibly retain, and the complexity of which becomes "impossible to work with".

When he first arrived, Ky says, he gathered his troops and told them to reduce the existing rules down to the absolute essentials, so they could all see what was really necessary.

EASA retains its power to make rules, Ky confirms, but the way the need for rules is assessed, and the way that they are made and framed, is now different. The rulemaking process now starts with a risk assessment to determine whether a rule is needed at all, and if so what it needs to address. Only then is it framed.

Finally, the rate of technological progress is such that prescriptive rules involving equipment can rapidly become outdated, so the future, says Ky, is performance - based rulemaking (PBR), with prescriptive rules only where they are essential. Mostly the latter would define capabilities and responsibilities. PBR means that the required outcome of the rule is specified, and the means by which that outcome is achieved is not the main issue. This method has been foreshadowed for years by the approval of rulings on an "equivalent safety" basis, which allows flexibility in the means by which a safety objective could be achieved.

Rulemakers still work at EASA, but within one of the four directorates: strategy and safety management, certification, flight standards, and resources and support. "Rulemakers now only
work six months at headquarters," Ky explains. "Then they are sent out on inspections so they can see what it's like to have to put EASA rules into practice."

But Ky, a noted simplifier, has actually created a new directorate: strategy and safety management, headed by Luc Tytgat, formerly the director of the pan-European Single Sky Directorate at Eurocontrol. Why?

Ky explains: "If we are to go to PBR, we have to establish what the risk is, and to prioritise our resources and action. Luc's task is to notice what is happening out there, to recognise risk and deter mine where action might be needed." There are areas crying out for attention, Ky says, and ground handling, where - in simple numbers - there are more safety incidents than in any other phase of an aircraft's operation, is one of them. And in general aviation, it has started down the long path of working with the sector towards replacing regulation that was effectively commercial-aviation-light with industry-specific guidelines.

Long-serving certification director Norbert Lohl was on 1 March replaced by Trevor Woods, who previously worked on flight standards. Lohl says it was tough in the early days, building a relationship with sceptical national aviation authorities. They were essential, because EASA was so under-resourced that it had to contract out a high proportion of new tasks to the national authorities. About 20 of the tasks still are contracted out.

Woods points out how much is happening on the operations side, especially in human factors and training. EASA is preparing to drive operators towards the application of safety management systems within training departments, and towards the principle of alternative training and qualification programmes, instead of prescriptive syllabus-based recurrent training, plus the application of competency-based training.

Aircraft manufacturers must now provide operational suitability data to prove their cockpit interfaces work. Airlines will be expected to follow the manufacturers' manuals on type rating
training more closely. And work is being done to improve the effectiveness of simulators.

EASA is not blind to the fact that pilots frequently seem to be unable to cope with the unexpected, Woods emphasises, and it is looking for ways of dealing with this.

AHIA: Our thanks to David for use of his report to better understand where our CASA is heading at present.
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Old 29th Mar 2015, 23:24
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I can't help but feel that regos will be hit soon. It costs around $135? to register an aircraft, once off for life. I can feel in my waters a yearly fee coming along.
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Old 30th Mar 2015, 03:23
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Not bad for $50 I guess, but I would have thought this one might be a freebie. Since I picked up my copy of SMS for Aviation: a Practical Guide resource kit (2nd edition) from the local CASA office, gratis, I don't think I will be attending.

Have you registered for an SMS workshop yet?

You’ve got just one more week to register for CASA’s SMS roadshow. Join us as we give you some practical advice on starting your SMS. See the dates, locations and venues below.
This one-day workshop will include:
  • Review of the SMS framework - the regulations and SMS for Aviation: a Practical Guide resource kit (2nd edition)
  • How the newly released second edition of the SMS for Aviation: a Practical Guide resource kit and SMS webpages can help
  • Getting your SMS started-the gap analysis and implementation plan
  • CASA's entry control and post-implementation expectations … and much more!

The cost is $50, catering included. Participants will also receive a copy of the SMS for Aviation: a Practical Guide resource kit (2nd edition).
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Old 30th Mar 2015, 09:24
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The plonkers in CAsA need to be careful with registration costs.
we pay vehicle registration charges for insurance and improvements to roads.

imagine the greenies holding CAsA to account for not improving the air.
that could cost them millions in law suits for failing to improve the atmosphere.

yeah CAsA bring it on! we'll bankrupt you incompetent plonkers yet.
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Old 30th Mar 2015, 09:48
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From Jaba's last post.

"But Ky, a noted simplifier.."

If only 'a noted simplifier' had been within the recent job requirements for a new CASA DAS and PMO...
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