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Old 14th Feb 2015, 23:43
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Trike Accident Yarrawonga

Just witnessed some lovely "formation" trike flying overhead Yarrawonga township,unfortunately with the 4 trikes attempting to land at once one came to grief, Ambulance and Fireman at lore of flight attending,perhaps the newly opened ultralight strip caused the upset landing with the formation all landing at once ?
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Yarrawonga Trike Accident

Wow !! Didn't happen,,,OMG.
CERTAINLY DID, the trike was number 3 in the formation that had just flown over the township, unfortunately Laurie Thompson ( local on airport ) on late final impacted the boundary fence and was trapped until rescuers were able to free him, was taken to hospital and released some time later. Lots of concerned people in town and at the airport as this " formation flying " over the township has raised many concerns based on the amount of trike incidents ( and deaths ) related to this airport.
Can assure the presence of SES, AMBO,FIRE BRIGADE,POLICE, and many concerned onlookers.
Authenticity can be easily obtained by calling Lore of Flight at YYWG, or first on scene was the GA training facility on field.
Not sure why any other poster would try and hide the accident, DENIAL ??
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I thought that this site was for Professional Pilots.

And this thread is going nowhere fast!
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RAA seems to be its own worst enemy - allowing people from the shallow end of the gene pool to fly.
Has RAA ever cancelled the licence of anyone?
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You can do better than this, there is nothing in the original post to indicate the trikes were RAOZ registered, and most trikes are registered with the HGFA.

As to the question on cancellation, the answer is yes, and in my opinion, in several cases in which I have been involved, I believe the cancellation was wrong, and CASA would have taken no action in the same circumstance.

Put another way, I think RAA is a bit prone to taking action on a pilot certificate without due cause.

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Wake turbulence ?

When i did my formation endorsement in a trike i couldn't believe the wake turbulence from the trike in front, almost rolled end for end one time.

Got the endorsement and never did it again in the trikes because they are just so upset by wake from leading aircraft and it extends way out to the sides much further than expected, real learning experience.

Looks like the Townsville accident 'may' have been the same thing ??

Formation flying is not easy in aircraft from the bottom end of town.
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Why would they be flying in formation anyway? Migrating North for Winter?

Considering the whole point of formation flying has it's foundation in the Air Force, there seems little point in formation flying anything not so categorised.
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Considering the whole point of formation flying has it's foundation in the Air Force, there seems little point in formation flying anything not so categorised.
One could, perhaps, say the same thing about aerobatics.
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One could, perhaps, say the same thing about aerobatics.
Aerobatics provides an excellent foundation in airmanship, and entry and recovery from unusual attitudes.
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Old 16th Feb 2015, 23:33
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Considering the whole point of formation flying has it's foundation in the Air Force, there seems little point in formation flying anything not so categorised.
Where'd you get that from, Cheerup? Form flying can be done in anything that is controllable. You just have to know what you're doing. It is actually a fantastic way to enjoy your flying. It's challenging but great fun. C'mon, cheer up!

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G'day Bloggsy! I seem to remember being taught about the origins of formation flying in Queen Betty's Flying Club. The idea was to look after your old mate and fly as a single unit.

Encyclopaedia Brittanica seems to agree with me on this: formation flying | aviation | Encyclopedia Britannica

I'm not disputing that non-combat aircraft could conceivably or even enjoyably be flown in formation. I'm just saying that it seems pointless in a trike. Yes, the footage of the A350s is stunning. As was this one, possibly the formation to end all formations: CONCORDE SST : FLYPAST - stunning, hey?
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an Aeros endorsement will result in a huge increase in your hands on flying skills, if not make you a little heavy handed. a formation Endorsement will take your flying up another level again, making your flying smoother and more precise than you ever thought you could do. especially when in formation with an aircraft with much different performance characteristics. Is there a Formation endorsement available for trikes under the HGFA?


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Hi there, yes there is a formation endo for Trikes. What happened to the rego numbers on the Savannah looking plane ?


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• Passenger Carrying Endorsement
• Cross Country Endorsement
• Formation Endorsement
• Tugmaster Endorsement
• Radio Operators Endorsement


http://www.hgfa.asn.au/Ops%20Man/Ops...dorsements.pdf
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Formation flying like all things is all well and good in a controlled environment. Doing such overhead the township at " the lowest legal limit " with a very low hour pilot ( however endorsed ) is only ever going to end in tears, there have been many deaths in trikes already out of Yarrawonga and the writings on the wall again here.
Watch this space.
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Formation flying like all things is all well and good in a controlled environment. Doing such overhead the township at " the lowest legal limit " with a very low hour pilot ( however endorsed ) is only ever going to end in tears, there have been many deaths in trikes already out of Yarrawonga and the writings on the wall again here.
That's twice you have referred to multiple deaths in trikes at Yarrawonga. This time you state "many".

Care to enlighten us as to the details of the MANY because I say BS!

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We tried to formate the V-tail with a couple of Savannahs once - didn't work out well!

Couldn't get the Bo to fly backwards!

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That GoPro on the dash of the red one is one of the best cameras you can use for this type of close proximity and low flying.
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Quite correct Squawk 7700 Light weight and virtually litigation proof.
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Re the photo. 'birds, what birds' or is that a camera trick. Reminds me of a famous helicopter matter.


Kaz3g. December 2009. Two killed in that incident. Ask the green overalls.
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+1 when the green overalls was on the return leg of a ferry flight nearing home when one soul was lost (in the other ship).

The 2 mentioned earlier from memory were due to a lack of experience and qualifications.

http://www.dailyadvertiser.com.au/st...of-horror-day/

And

http://m.smh.com.au/national/two-bro...1206-kd9m.html
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Hmmm,,

Some interesting reading in that Daily Advertiser Article, such as:

“If I had looked around two seconds before I did I would have seen what had occurred,” XXXXXX said.
XXXXX said what he did see was Mr Hunt’s plane falling and Mr Hunt not responding at the controls.
“I called out to him to pull up, but there was no response,” said.
...and

XXXXXX paid tribute to Mr Hunt, describing him as a very skilled pilot.
“He was the most experienced member of our formation team,” XXXXX said
....and

“He was a very good pilot,” XXXXXX said.
She based that assessment on his skill in following instructions with a formation team overseen by XXXXXX.
“He knew where he needed to be and when he needed to be there,” XXXXXXsaid.
I've XXXX'd the names out so as not to embarrass anyone, you can read the link if you want but it would appear that formation flying in the trike community has been around for a while. As set out through the following link, a simple check of their trike flying club reveals that the CFI has military flight experience, which perhaps with all the best intentions he has been trying to share.

About Us « Yarrawonga Flight Training

A good skill set with the right aircraft in the right location and at the right altitude but maybe it might be time to seriously review that practice taking into account the prevailing circumstances...

What's that thing about holes and swiss cheese?

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