Trike Accident Yarrawonga
It was mentioned on here a while back that certain persons may have never seen the inside of a military registered aircraft 
I would be interested to hear otherwise so I can rest my mind over it 
I would be interested to hear otherwise so I can rest my mind over it
mmm, Just got a phone call (asking what i knew about the photo posted by Ultralights - which i don't know anything about by the way, i just commented 'where are the rego numbers ?')
Seems someone else higher up the food chain wants to know more about the photo shown here, the missing rego numbers, the location the photo was taken and the pilots of each aircraft.
More information to follow i guess.
Seems someone else higher up the food chain wants to know more about the photo shown here, the missing rego numbers, the location the photo was taken and the pilots of each aircraft.
More information to follow i guess.
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More uploading of evidence catching someone out. Amazed missing rego numbers not picked up in recent audits. Better start the process again and ground everyone. Or was it all photoshop to protect everyone?
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Why jump to the conclusion that pilots are unqualified in pictures? Is it the Savana your on about? If you've been taking notice on a few threads you would know who the aircraft belong to and what Qualifications they have.
What's wrong with shopping rego's out? Law against it?
What's wrong with shopping rego's out? Law against it?
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There are more trikes registered in Australia than any other type of aircraft and those that pilot them are able to gain exactly the same sorts of formation flying privileges as any GA pilot.
The two who died in 2009 did so at Cootamundra, not Yarrawonga.
My friend who died during a ferry trip was heading to Yarrawonga when he suffered a major medical crisis. This is a very rare event but GA pilots are not immune from such things, either.
So that makes 3 people, not at Yarrawonga, which statistic doesn't meet either the geographical requirements or the numerical status given to "many".
Oh...I fly GA myself but I think it's particularly bad form to slag other fliers on a public forum routinely visited by those who would close airports and cause problems for their own ends. God knows we have enough enemies of our passion without denigrating one another.
Kaz
The two who died in 2009 did so at Cootamundra, not Yarrawonga.
My friend who died during a ferry trip was heading to Yarrawonga when he suffered a major medical crisis. This is a very rare event but GA pilots are not immune from such things, either.
So that makes 3 people, not at Yarrawonga, which statistic doesn't meet either the geographical requirements or the numerical status given to "many".
Oh...I fly GA myself but I think it's particularly bad form to slag other fliers on a public forum routinely visited by those who would close airports and cause problems for their own ends. God knows we have enough enemies of our passion without denigrating one another.
Kaz
Why jump to the conclusion that pilots are unqualified in pictures? Is it the Savana your on about?
Unfortunately we live in a world where people like to call up CASA and RA-Aus and stir up trouble when they think that someone is out there having more fun than them so we tend to resort to these things to protect ourselves.
I once posted a picture of my aircraft landed on a private ALA that had a beautiful bitumen runway/driveway complete with a 60kmh sign for traffic entering this commercial property. Because my rego wasn't photo-shopped, of course the obligatory call came from CASA because some peanut from a forum decided that I had landed on a public road
The two who died in 2009 did so at Cootamundra, not Yarrawonga.
Two brothers die in ultralight plane | Yarrawonga
The Cootamundra accident was the married couple that took off from Temora on dusk for Cootamundra and didn't make it.
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Thank you Sqawk but I note that Barnawatha is closer to Albury than Yarrawonga and that there are several airfields in the vicinity.
Regardless, any death is sad but this doesn't change the intent of my post nor does it amount to the "many" quoted earlier.
The same poster slipped in a comment about "lowest legal limit" but offered nothing to support the assertion which again gives the perception to uninformed readers that the activity was "barely" legal. This crap does none of us any good and we shouldn't give it oxygen in my view.
My clubs, GVAC and AAAA Regularly engage in formation flying...sometimes in old aeroplanes or even amateur built for goodness sake. Perhaps I should just take up knitting 'cause it will be safer?
Kaz
Regardless, any death is sad but this doesn't change the intent of my post nor does it amount to the "many" quoted earlier.
The same poster slipped in a comment about "lowest legal limit" but offered nothing to support the assertion which again gives the perception to uninformed readers that the activity was "barely" legal. This crap does none of us any good and we shouldn't give it oxygen in my view.
My clubs, GVAC and AAAA Regularly engage in formation flying...sometimes in old aeroplanes or even amateur built for goodness sake. Perhaps I should just take up knitting 'cause it will be safer?
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wow... who would have thought that hiding a rego number means the activity is illegal....
how many here are endorsed in jumping to conclusions? . seams the same Jumping to conclusions training is valid for all accidents also, from Trikes to RPT.. is there any evidence the trike mentioned earlier was in formation?
edit for Mr Coats... Location was Sydney, all pilots are Instructors, in Both GA and Raaus, all Aero and Formation endorsed..
i eagerly await a phone call
how many here are endorsed in jumping to conclusions? . seams the same Jumping to conclusions training is valid for all accidents also, from Trikes to RPT.. is there any evidence the trike mentioned earlier was in formation?
edit for Mr Coats... Location was Sydney, all pilots are Instructors, in Both GA and Raaus, all Aero and Formation endorsed..
i eagerly await a phone call
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Kaz. I hate to be pedantic, but for accuracy sake, I was present at Yarrawonga the time and date the aircraft departed that aerodrome on 6th December 2009. It was expected to return to its hangar next door from L of F. It was a black trike. I had just landed there. Having said that, the search centered around Yarrawonga with the L of F business principal, the police, and many others searching until after last light when I left. Exactly where it was found is academic. I understand it hit a stump or tree on landing in poor light. Perhaps others can enlighten me as to the actual final documented cause. This is no suggestion of any impropriety simply a witness testimony.
Ultralights, I thought you knew that jumping to conclusions is a class endorsement provided with your PPRUNE account :-P all in Part 61 MOS... somewhere...
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i knew the Jumping to Conclusions endo is used for accidents, but for random pictures on the internet is a new use for this endo.. must be somewhere in the new part61.
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It's fine, Frank but now I seem to have lost the point you were making.
From the information provided by you, an aircraft departed the aerodrome and had a fatal accident in a paddock 30 NM away in poor light. The aircraft was hangared next to a FS hangar. There is nothing to suggest it was engaged in formation flying or even that the pilot had any relationship to the FS. Still haven't got to "many".
Not sure where you are taking me?
Kaz
From the information provided by you, an aircraft departed the aerodrome and had a fatal accident in a paddock 30 NM away in poor light. The aircraft was hangared next to a FS hangar. There is nothing to suggest it was engaged in formation flying or even that the pilot had any relationship to the FS. Still haven't got to "many".
Not sure where you are taking me?
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Your first quote Kaz:
"That's twice you have referred to multiple deaths in trikes at Yarrawonga. This time you state "many". Care to enlighten us as to the details of the MANY because I say BS!"
One: is singular.
Two: is a couple/ a few/pair.
Many: A determiner, (as in many apples). Is a larger number. In this case more than three or four would qualify. I have the dictionary at hand if you want me to elaborate and bore the moderators.
I don't see any reference by you in your quote to suggest anybody limit their comments to only include formation flying or make it off topic.
I think you may have lost the point you were making. But I have been wrong before. (I think it was that time I last admitted I was wrong).
"That's twice you have referred to multiple deaths in trikes at Yarrawonga. This time you state "many". Care to enlighten us as to the details of the MANY because I say BS!"
One: is singular.
Two: is a couple/ a few/pair.
Many: A determiner, (as in many apples). Is a larger number. In this case more than three or four would qualify. I have the dictionary at hand if you want me to elaborate and bore the moderators.
I don't see any reference by you in your quote to suggest anybody limit their comments to only include formation flying or make it off topic.
I think you may have lost the point you were making. But I have been wrong before. (I think it was that time I last admitted I was wrong).
Well, I have always fancied having a go in a trike. I might just head over to Yarrawonga one of these days and support the local business there. To me they sound like ok operators who need a bit of support 
All the naysayers on this thread can give up driving, its frikken dangerous.
All the naysayers on this thread can give up driving, its frikken dangerous.
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Indirectly says so on the Yarrawonga Website under
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Perhaps I've interpreted this with the words"Military flight experience"as to mean that if you've flown a wide range of military aircraft then you would have military flight experience but then again if you've flown as a pax in military aircraft then that would also qualify you has having military flight experience. As it's published that he's flown, then it would be fair to assume this was as a pilot. My apologies to all if I've caused any more confusion than my usual attempts. I stand corrected.
Some internet searching and some enquiries made do not reveal anything further than that which means correct, aside from the published information on the website, I cannot find and Squawky's mind cannot rest!!!!
Perhaps someone within this community could enlighten us all further, after all, the overalls are well green and well endorsed so surely it must be true...
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who has flown a wide range of military and civilian aircraft in his flying career
Perhaps I've interpreted this with the words"Military flight experience"as to mean that if you've flown a wide range of military aircraft then you would have military flight experience but then again if you've flown as a pax in military aircraft then that would also qualify you has having military flight experience. As it's published that he's flown, then it would be fair to assume this was as a pilot. My apologies to all if I've caused any more confusion than my usual attempts. I stand corrected.
Some internet searching and some enquiries made do not reveal anything further than that which means correct, aside from the published information on the website, I cannot find and Squawky's mind cannot rest!!!!
Perhaps someone within this community could enlighten us all further, after all, the overalls are well green and well endorsed so surely it must be true...
Stiky
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Stiky & 7700, I've heard him say that he's ex military. But you could be a cook & be ex military. I'll bet if he doesn't post on prune that he'd know what's being posted! Would be easy for him to clear up. Having said all that he's a nice fella & I've only found him helpful on matters aviation.