B.E.H.A. or just plain old B.S
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Ever since I started flying 42 years ago (OMG) I've been interested in proposed new aviation related products. Most of them fall by the wayside because either the inventor is trying to break at least one law of physics or the whole idea is just a scam.
This one appears to be nominating for a prize in both categories if not multiple prizes in the flawed physics category.
Where does one start the criticism of this conglomeration of bad ideas?
It would appear everything reasonably possible has been done to increase weight and reduce efficency. The designer claims his BEHA will out perform most light twins so taking a Baron for comparison he should be able to better 200 knots. How????
Both have 600 HP The Baron's engines drive two props operating in clear air and a modest electrical system. It has a mono wing and retractable undercarriage.
BEHA has 3 engines with ducted fan props. Ducted fans are draggy in most applications and add weight and complexity.
Batteries for the two electric motors are heavy and when the initial charge is used up the aircraft is left with one heavy 200 HP Diesel engine + one heavy generator to power all 3 of them. Add to that the considerable power losses converting from chemical energy to mechanical energy to electrical energy back to chemical energy for the batteries and then finally mechanical energy for the electric engines.( I'm ignoring the drag of the wind turbines. Maybe the solar panels would cancel that out. I can't bear to think about it.
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To continue. BEHA has a fixed undercarriage and 3 draggy wings. I thought they went out with the Red Baron's Fokker Triplane.
BEHA will have a ballistic parachute but that weight problem might be balanced out by eliminating the pilot. The blurb says they are developing a remote control system. That would allow the pilot to remain on the ground. A very wise idea I think. I must say I'm surprised they didn't include a bath and a small grand piano. What's a bit more weight in the whole scheme of things?
I'm just not sure how with all that weight and drag, approximately 50 available HP is going to make it faster than a Baron.
Of course it could be a scam. Roll up rollup laze & gem and give us 20,000 quid to build this magnificent machine.*
*Conditions Apply - Anyone with ANY aeronautical knowledge or understanding of the laws of physics need not apply.
This mob are more or less crowd funding to raise money so they can apply for a Government grant.
Who do they think they are? Some Not for Profit organization or perhaps a poor struggling coal company trying to make clean coal?
Ever since I started flying 42 years ago (OMG) I've been interested in proposed new aviation related products. Most of them fall by the wayside because either the inventor is trying to break at least one law of physics or the whole idea is just a scam.
This one appears to be nominating for a prize in both categories if not multiple prizes in the flawed physics category.
Where does one start the criticism of this conglomeration of bad ideas?
It would appear everything reasonably possible has been done to increase weight and reduce efficency. The designer claims his BEHA will out perform most light twins so taking a Baron for comparison he should be able to better 200 knots. How????
Both have 600 HP The Baron's engines drive two props operating in clear air and a modest electrical system. It has a mono wing and retractable undercarriage.
BEHA has 3 engines with ducted fan props. Ducted fans are draggy in most applications and add weight and complexity.
Batteries for the two electric motors are heavy and when the initial charge is used up the aircraft is left with one heavy 200 HP Diesel engine + one heavy generator to power all 3 of them. Add to that the considerable power losses converting from chemical energy to mechanical energy to electrical energy back to chemical energy for the batteries and then finally mechanical energy for the electric engines.( I'm ignoring the drag of the wind turbines. Maybe the solar panels would cancel that out. I can't bear to think about it.
)To continue. BEHA has a fixed undercarriage and 3 draggy wings. I thought they went out with the Red Baron's Fokker Triplane.
BEHA will have a ballistic parachute but that weight problem might be balanced out by eliminating the pilot. The blurb says they are developing a remote control system. That would allow the pilot to remain on the ground. A very wise idea I think. I must say I'm surprised they didn't include a bath and a small grand piano. What's a bit more weight in the whole scheme of things?
I'm just not sure how with all that weight and drag, approximately 50 available HP is going to make it faster than a Baron.
Of course it could be a scam. Roll up rollup laze & gem and give us 20,000 quid to build this magnificent machine.*
*Conditions Apply - Anyone with ANY aeronautical knowledge or understanding of the laws of physics need not apply.
This mob are more or less crowd funding to raise money so they can apply for a Government grant.
Who do they think they are? Some Not for Profit organization or perhaps a poor struggling coal company trying to make clean coal?
Pipe-dream.
The configuration makes no sense- interference drag is why we stopped making Biplanes, let alone TRI-planes!!
Ducted fan is of no real advantage at what will be normal propellor speeds.
THEN there's the hybrid concept- simply not applicable to aircraft. Hybrid works in cars because they spend most of their time cruising at a small fraction of the engines available power, and the vehicle accelerates and decelerates throughout the trip, so having electrics that are efficient over a wide range of speeds, and an engine optimised to one speed as a generator makes sense and CAN lead to much greater fuel efficiency- plus plug-ins have the option of being short-range electric-only vehicles when needed (though the cost and carbon needed to charge them has to then be factored in).
In an aircraft where you spend the vast majority of your time at one speed and one power, which is a significant percentage of available power, the losses associated with using one fuel to run an engine to charge a battery to run another engine very quickly negates any notional advantage.
I can see a future for all-electric aircraft as trainers and recreational aircraft- indeed an electric self-launching glider is on my retirement wish-list, but as a means of transport, it makes no sense.
The configuration makes no sense- interference drag is why we stopped making Biplanes, let alone TRI-planes!!
Ducted fan is of no real advantage at what will be normal propellor speeds.
THEN there's the hybrid concept- simply not applicable to aircraft. Hybrid works in cars because they spend most of their time cruising at a small fraction of the engines available power, and the vehicle accelerates and decelerates throughout the trip, so having electrics that are efficient over a wide range of speeds, and an engine optimised to one speed as a generator makes sense and CAN lead to much greater fuel efficiency- plus plug-ins have the option of being short-range electric-only vehicles when needed (though the cost and carbon needed to charge them has to then be factored in).
In an aircraft where you spend the vast majority of your time at one speed and one power, which is a significant percentage of available power, the losses associated with using one fuel to run an engine to charge a battery to run another engine very quickly negates any notional advantage.
I can see a future for all-electric aircraft as trainers and recreational aircraft- indeed an electric self-launching glider is on my retirement wish-list, but as a means of transport, it makes no sense.
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What's the deal with the wind turbines?
So, we use the air moving past the aircraft to drive a turbine, which drives a generator, which powers a motor, which drives a propeller which immediately attempts to return the energy we just extracted from the airflow back into it?
And the solar panels?
My parents' roof is covered with solar panels. On a bright, sunny 30+ Degree spring day last week I took a look and they were producing 8 kW or so in total. This concept takes a small fraction of their area, and stacks them on triplane wings so half of them are in shadow. When your total power demand in cruise is 300+ kW, the panels will produce, at best, 1% of your power needs. Awesome.
So, we use the air moving past the aircraft to drive a turbine, which drives a generator, which powers a motor, which drives a propeller which immediately attempts to return the energy we just extracted from the airflow back into it?
And the solar panels?
My parents' roof is covered with solar panels. On a bright, sunny 30+ Degree spring day last week I took a look and they were producing 8 kW or so in total. This concept takes a small fraction of their area, and stacks them on triplane wings so half of them are in shadow. When your total power demand in cruise is 300+ kW, the panels will produce, at best, 1% of your power needs. Awesome.
POSSIBLY the idea with the solar panels and turbines is that they charge the batteries while it's on the ground.
IF he's suggesting a turbine will extract more energy from the airflow in flight than it takes to push it through the air in the first place, I have a perpetual motion engine I can sell him that will do the job much better.....
IF he's suggesting a turbine will extract more energy from the airflow in flight than it takes to push it through the air in the first place, I have a perpetual motion engine I can sell him that will do the job much better.....
The greatest thing about it is it will fly over the African bush without disturbing the animals.
Surely one of the most significant factors we need to address in aviation.
Surely one of the most significant factors we need to address in aviation.
Had a face-book exchange with the guy there, and, Yep! He's claiming the turbines will produce more energy than they cost inflight, so, apart from the obvious design problems, the people behind this lack even high-school physics knowledge.
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Looks like sales for your perpetual motion machine might be about to pick up.
Yep! He's claiming the turbines will produce more energy than they cost
From the quote.....
'. Another source of inspiration for Cloughley was the De Havilland Dragon Rapide.'
Read more at Environmentally Friendly Hybrid Six-Seater In the Works | Flying Magazine
YEP!! There's a Mach number to aspire to......
Cheers
'. Another source of inspiration for Cloughley was the De Havilland Dragon Rapide.'
Read more at Environmentally Friendly Hybrid Six-Seater In the Works | Flying Magazine
YEP!! There's a Mach number to aspire to......
Cheers
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And it shows you how far FLYING as a publication has regressed since the days of Dick Collins, Len Morgan, Gordon Baxter, Mac McClennand, Peter Garrison etc.
Once upon a time, this sort of pie in the sky stuff wouldn't have rated a mention. Haven't bothered with FLYING for a long time now.
Once upon a time, this sort of pie in the sky stuff wouldn't have rated a mention. Haven't bothered with FLYING for a long time now.
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IF he's suggesting a turbine will extract more energy from the airflow in flight than it takes to push it through the air in the first place, I have a perpetual motion engine I can sell him that will do the job much better...
..oh, wait....
Four plus years on and this WAFTAM is still being touted- The guy behind it even cons his way into giving talks at Farnborough about his revolutionary craft.
PLUS now he's proposing a UAV, fire-fighting version!!!!!
So, a Barron sized aircraft, capitol cost of millions, that can't "Scoop" and therefore will need a runway, all to deliver? what? a tonne of retardant?? Using technology that doesn't yet exist?
Seems better at producing computer images that actual aircraft......
PLUS now he's proposing a UAV, fire-fighting version!!!!!
So, a Barron sized aircraft, capitol cost of millions, that can't "Scoop" and therefore will need a runway, all to deliver? what? a tonne of retardant?? Using technology that doesn't yet exist?
Seems better at producing computer images that actual aircraft......
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I think you will find someone is "taking the mickey"!
Faradair's managing director Neil Cloughley gleaned inspiration for the BEHA design from an unmanned UAV with a rhomboid wing, which was developed by his father 30 years ago. Plans are for the airplane to be controllable remotely from the ground. Another source of inspiration for Cloughley was the De Havilland Dragon Rapide.
Faradair hopes to raise £20,000 through a Kickstarter campaign by December 25. So far, 19 backers have contributed £1,408. Depending on the level of contribution, Faradair is offering incentives such as plaques, bricks and branded shopping bags for those who pledge. The company plans to use the money raised in the Kickstarter campaign to move the BEHA from the initial design phase to the research and development phase.
Faradair hopes to raise £20,000 through a Kickstarter campaign by December 25. So far, 19 backers have contributed £1,408. Depending on the level of contribution, Faradair is offering incentives such as plaques, bricks and branded shopping bags for those who pledge. The company plans to use the money raised in the Kickstarter campaign to move the BEHA from the initial design phase to the research and development phase.
- A Rhomboid wing?
- Six passenger aircraft remotely controlled?
- Inspired by the de Havilland Dragon Rapide?
- Faradair hopes to raise £20,000 through a Kickstarter campaign - how far will that go?
- Offering incentives such as plaques, bricks and branded shopping bags for those who pledge?
So, things must be going just swimmingly for this crowd.
About once a year I'll send an enquiry through their contact form and ask things like "Got a first flight date?", "Does the thing still have wind-generators that defy Newton?". Two days ago i did this asking "Is a single component of an actual aircraft in existence?"
Woke up this morning to a paragraphs long screed calling me a toll and a hater, but, most disturbingly, showing whoever this was had trolled my social, and so included multiple references to my personal life but, most disturbingly, to my DAUGHTER and her music career.
It was clearly a veiled threat.
Anyone think the police would be interested? What would be the correct constabulary to direct enquiries to re a Duxford based entity?
About once a year I'll send an enquiry through their contact form and ask things like "Got a first flight date?", "Does the thing still have wind-generators that defy Newton?". Two days ago i did this asking "Is a single component of an actual aircraft in existence?"
Woke up this morning to a paragraphs long screed calling me a toll and a hater, but, most disturbingly, showing whoever this was had trolled my social, and so included multiple references to my personal life but, most disturbingly, to my DAUGHTER and her music career.
It was clearly a veiled threat.
Anyone think the police would be interested? What would be the correct constabulary to direct enquiries to re a Duxford based entity?
Here's the text of the email Faradair sent me- lightly redacted, as there isn't much information that couldn't be gleaned from my PPRUNE posts.
Some clarity- my "Trolling on social media" consisted of exactly three comments on Facebook (the only "Social media I do- I'm old!). I pointed out a small solar panel was a waste of time and that their power-recovery turbines (air driven turbines generating electricity to run the electric motor) simply defied physics. The reply was "All BEHA technologies will be proven". I re-iterated they couldn't work and was blocked. Ironically both have been left off the latest iteration (by which I mean drawings) of the proposed aircraft.
In six years I've left three comments in the comment section of articles about the company, absolutely all negative, but with justified criticisms- like they are saying they are going to make an autonomous water bombing version, which is just ridiculous. They have taken investors money, including Government funds. They are not nor should they be immune from criticism.
I've used their contact form on their website I think three times.
So that's it- maybe 8 comments in six years, which I think qualifies me as the worlds laziest troll!!!
And here's the response-
Dear Mr Wizofoz,
We often question what it was behind the most vindictive, malicious and downright nasty spirit that motivated our only troll?
We had hoped you had grown out of that, yet here you are again, with nothing but petty snide to offer and an unwillingness to recognise the facts and data, clearly validated and approved by talents greater than yours and that you might have been wrong. We guess you have missed the flight testing we have been carrying out of various systems in the US for the last two years? Or in fact the numerous elements and components in testing that we intend to put on the aircraft, but because we have not shared those details with you personally, you come to our website with yet another snide post.
Is it just so you can spout bile and petty anger toward a programme you know nothing about? The Irony of your surname, in the fact that Sir Frank had to endure similar in his day, really does perplex us.
For years we put up with your infantile tirades to the point we had to block you on social media and yet here you are again, now coming direct via the website! Having read the file of your ranting’s which Neil had collated in the past, including your numerous postings on different aviation forums under names like the Wizard of Oz, etc, it is clear that it is not just us you aim your petty barbs at, but anyone who dares to question you and frankly, it was not the behaviour of an Emirates 777 training Captain, it appeared more like the ravings of a lunatic.
The fact that engineering talent is helping us to shape the aircraft, sadly without hundreds of millions in budget yet, to develop the aircraft over six years, is ignored by you. The scale models, the CFD work, the partners secured and the systems testing, all irrelevant to your personal need to vent unfounded venom at a project which for whatever reason you chose to target.
Is the programme where we had intended it to be at the start of all this? No, sadly due to the funding market and financial culture in the UK, it is not. But it is progressing well and next year we will break ground on our prototyping facility, which is already funded and planning permission approved in case you were wondering.
However we assume you have never attempted to start an aircraft manufacturer yourself, so trying to explain all the challenges of bringing a clean sheet design aircraft to market, may be a fruitless task, especially looking at your past record in failing to hear that which you were being told.
Fortunately, despite your best desire to see the programme fail, the company is growing, the aircraft is developing, components are being worked on as we speak and yet it would not matter what announcements we make or the progress we make (slower than we would like), it will never be good enough for you.
We have come to accept that, but we do all remain curious as to where the origins of this bile came from?
Did you happen to know someone who knew Neil? a little chum or pal from Ansett and then in Dubai who set you on this vindictive course? As considering you have no connection to this programme whatsoever, it really is a puzzle as to your obsession to the point of stalking.
Imagine if someone went after your daughter on her Youtube page with the level of bile that you did to our programme over several years, frankly you should be embarrassed.
However, your past actions aside, one day, when the aircraft is flying and it comes down to Australia, we will come to your gliding club and we’ll let you and its members see just a fraction of the hard work and effort that has gone into this project and the considerable personal cost of everyone involved and we’ll invite you to take a flight in the aircraft, because unlike you, we don’t hold petty vindictive personal vendettas and having been proven wrong on practically every point you made about our programme, you really do need to move on.
Can we give you an exact time of when this will be? No sadly not, it really is down the funding and the considerable work ongoing, but we do hope for it to be around 2025. If we had been given the funding requested back in 2015, the aircraft would be on the ramp today and all the things that we forecast then about this coming market, having been proven by many others, really validates that which we stated back then and highlights why you managed to get so much, so wrong.
Building a whole new aircraft from scratch is not easy, it takes vast sums of money, resources and an awful lot of goodwill and talent of those involved and having to put up with people like you, screaming from the sidelines while having done nothing even vaguely close in your own life, it really does depict what the ‘Internet’ of today has become, a void of egotistical, slightly unhinged elements who shout spurious claims and insults for what? Vanity? A need to feel good about yourself?
In all honesty, after six years development and coverage received which counters everything you believe to be true, we look at your inane ranting’s and frankly horrible manner and feel sorry for you, not only in your actual technical ignorance but more importantly, as a human being and supposed aerospace enthusiast. What would your daughter think of your internet rantings? Do you think she knows her father likes to take pleasure in the challenges others face and then hopes they fail? Not exactly model behaviour is it.
Fortunately other’s believed differently and for that we are thankful, which makes people like you, very much in the minority.
We of course hope you can get on with your life and whilst we find your personal attention flattering, we look forward to seeing you in person one day, when hopefully, at that point, you might even offer a fair ‘well done, it could not have been easy’… because with people like you around, it certainly is not and sadly, the aerospace sector is worse off because of it.
Alternatively, simply wish us luck as we do your daughter in her singing career.
Best Wishes
The Faradair Team
I feel this rose to the level of a veiled threat. Thoughts?
In any case, a cowardly and thin skinned attempt to intimidate a critic.
Some clarity- my "Trolling on social media" consisted of exactly three comments on Facebook (the only "Social media I do- I'm old!). I pointed out a small solar panel was a waste of time and that their power-recovery turbines (air driven turbines generating electricity to run the electric motor) simply defied physics. The reply was "All BEHA technologies will be proven". I re-iterated they couldn't work and was blocked. Ironically both have been left off the latest iteration (by which I mean drawings) of the proposed aircraft.
In six years I've left three comments in the comment section of articles about the company, absolutely all negative, but with justified criticisms- like they are saying they are going to make an autonomous water bombing version, which is just ridiculous. They have taken investors money, including Government funds. They are not nor should they be immune from criticism.
I've used their contact form on their website I think three times.
So that's it- maybe 8 comments in six years, which I think qualifies me as the worlds laziest troll!!!
And here's the response-
Dear Mr Wizofoz,
We often question what it was behind the most vindictive, malicious and downright nasty spirit that motivated our only troll?
We had hoped you had grown out of that, yet here you are again, with nothing but petty snide to offer and an unwillingness to recognise the facts and data, clearly validated and approved by talents greater than yours and that you might have been wrong. We guess you have missed the flight testing we have been carrying out of various systems in the US for the last two years? Or in fact the numerous elements and components in testing that we intend to put on the aircraft, but because we have not shared those details with you personally, you come to our website with yet another snide post.
Is it just so you can spout bile and petty anger toward a programme you know nothing about? The Irony of your surname, in the fact that Sir Frank had to endure similar in his day, really does perplex us.
For years we put up with your infantile tirades to the point we had to block you on social media and yet here you are again, now coming direct via the website! Having read the file of your ranting’s which Neil had collated in the past, including your numerous postings on different aviation forums under names like the Wizard of Oz, etc, it is clear that it is not just us you aim your petty barbs at, but anyone who dares to question you and frankly, it was not the behaviour of an Emirates 777 training Captain, it appeared more like the ravings of a lunatic.
The fact that engineering talent is helping us to shape the aircraft, sadly without hundreds of millions in budget yet, to develop the aircraft over six years, is ignored by you. The scale models, the CFD work, the partners secured and the systems testing, all irrelevant to your personal need to vent unfounded venom at a project which for whatever reason you chose to target.
Is the programme where we had intended it to be at the start of all this? No, sadly due to the funding market and financial culture in the UK, it is not. But it is progressing well and next year we will break ground on our prototyping facility, which is already funded and planning permission approved in case you were wondering.
However we assume you have never attempted to start an aircraft manufacturer yourself, so trying to explain all the challenges of bringing a clean sheet design aircraft to market, may be a fruitless task, especially looking at your past record in failing to hear that which you were being told.
Fortunately, despite your best desire to see the programme fail, the company is growing, the aircraft is developing, components are being worked on as we speak and yet it would not matter what announcements we make or the progress we make (slower than we would like), it will never be good enough for you.
We have come to accept that, but we do all remain curious as to where the origins of this bile came from?
Did you happen to know someone who knew Neil? a little chum or pal from Ansett and then in Dubai who set you on this vindictive course? As considering you have no connection to this programme whatsoever, it really is a puzzle as to your obsession to the point of stalking.
Imagine if someone went after your daughter on her Youtube page with the level of bile that you did to our programme over several years, frankly you should be embarrassed.
However, your past actions aside, one day, when the aircraft is flying and it comes down to Australia, we will come to your gliding club and we’ll let you and its members see just a fraction of the hard work and effort that has gone into this project and the considerable personal cost of everyone involved and we’ll invite you to take a flight in the aircraft, because unlike you, we don’t hold petty vindictive personal vendettas and having been proven wrong on practically every point you made about our programme, you really do need to move on.
Can we give you an exact time of when this will be? No sadly not, it really is down the funding and the considerable work ongoing, but we do hope for it to be around 2025. If we had been given the funding requested back in 2015, the aircraft would be on the ramp today and all the things that we forecast then about this coming market, having been proven by many others, really validates that which we stated back then and highlights why you managed to get so much, so wrong.
Building a whole new aircraft from scratch is not easy, it takes vast sums of money, resources and an awful lot of goodwill and talent of those involved and having to put up with people like you, screaming from the sidelines while having done nothing even vaguely close in your own life, it really does depict what the ‘Internet’ of today has become, a void of egotistical, slightly unhinged elements who shout spurious claims and insults for what? Vanity? A need to feel good about yourself?
In all honesty, after six years development and coverage received which counters everything you believe to be true, we look at your inane ranting’s and frankly horrible manner and feel sorry for you, not only in your actual technical ignorance but more importantly, as a human being and supposed aerospace enthusiast. What would your daughter think of your internet rantings? Do you think she knows her father likes to take pleasure in the challenges others face and then hopes they fail? Not exactly model behaviour is it.
Fortunately other’s believed differently and for that we are thankful, which makes people like you, very much in the minority.
We of course hope you can get on with your life and whilst we find your personal attention flattering, we look forward to seeing you in person one day, when hopefully, at that point, you might even offer a fair ‘well done, it could not have been easy’… because with people like you around, it certainly is not and sadly, the aerospace sector is worse off because of it.
Alternatively, simply wish us luck as we do your daughter in her singing career.
Best Wishes
The Faradair Team
I feel this rose to the level of a veiled threat. Thoughts?
In any case, a cowardly and thin skinned attempt to intimidate a critic.
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Here's the text of the email Faradair sent me- lightly redacted, as there isn't much information that couldn't be gleaned from my PPRUNE posts.
Some clarity- my "Trolling on social media" consisted of exactly three comments on Facebook (the only "Social media I do- I'm old!). I pointed out a small solar panel was a waste of time and that their power-recovery turbines (air driven turbines generating electricity to run the electric motor) simply defied physics. The reply was "All BEHA technologies will be proven". I re-iterated they couldn't work and was blocked. Ironically both have been left off the latest iteration (by which I mean drawings) of the proposed aircraft.
In six years I've left three comments in the comment section of articles about the company, absolutely all negative, but with justified criticisms- like they are saying they are going to make an autonomous water bombing version, which is just ridiculous. They have taken investors money, including Government funds. They are not nor should they be immune from criticism.
I've used their contact form on their website I think three times.
So that's it- maybe 8 comments in six years, which I think qualifies me as the worlds laziest troll!!!
And here's the response-
Dear Mr Wizofoz,
We often question what it was behind the most vindictive, malicious and downright nasty spirit that motivated our only troll?
We had hoped you had grown out of that, yet here you are again, with nothing but petty snide to offer and an unwillingness to recognise the facts and data, clearly validated and approved by talents greater than yours and that you might have been wrong. We guess you have missed the flight testing we have been carrying out of various systems in the US for the last two years? Or in fact the numerous elements and components in testing that we intend to put on the aircraft, but because we have not shared those details with you personally, you come to our website with yet another snide post.
Is it just so you can spout bile and petty anger toward a programme you know nothing about? The Irony of your surname, in the fact that Sir Frank had to endure similar in his day, really does perplex us.
For years we put up with your infantile tirades to the point we had to block you on social media and yet here you are again, now coming direct via the website! Having read the file of your ranting’s which Neil had collated in the past, including your numerous postings on different aviation forums under names like the Wizard of Oz, etc, it is clear that it is not just us you aim your petty barbs at, but anyone who dares to question you and frankly, it was not the behaviour of an Emirates 777 training Captain, it appeared more like the ravings of a lunatic.
The fact that engineering talent is helping us to shape the aircraft, sadly without hundreds of millions in budget yet, to develop the aircraft over six years, is ignored by you. The scale models, the CFD work, the partners secured and the systems testing, all irrelevant to your personal need to vent unfounded venom at a project which for whatever reason you chose to target.
Is the programme where we had intended it to be at the start of all this? No, sadly due to the funding market and financial culture in the UK, it is not. But it is progressing well and next year we will break ground on our prototyping facility, which is already funded and planning permission approved in case you were wondering.
However we assume you have never attempted to start an aircraft manufacturer yourself, so trying to explain all the challenges of bringing a clean sheet design aircraft to market, may be a fruitless task, especially looking at your past record in failing to hear that which you were being told.
Fortunately, despite your best desire to see the programme fail, the company is growing, the aircraft is developing, components are being worked on as we speak and yet it would not matter what announcements we make or the progress we make (slower than we would like), it will never be good enough for you.
We have come to accept that, but we do all remain curious as to where the origins of this bile came from?
Did you happen to know someone who knew Neil? a little chum or pal from Ansett and then in Dubai who set you on this vindictive course? As considering you have no connection to this programme whatsoever, it really is a puzzle as to your obsession to the point of stalking.
Imagine if someone went after your daughter on her Youtube page with the level of bile that you did to our programme over several years, frankly you should be embarrassed.
However, your past actions aside, one day, when the aircraft is flying and it comes down to Australia, we will come to your gliding club and we’ll let you and its members see just a fraction of the hard work and effort that has gone into this project and the considerable personal cost of everyone involved and we’ll invite you to take a flight in the aircraft, because unlike you, we don’t hold petty vindictive personal vendettas and having been proven wrong on practically every point you made about our programme, you really do need to move on.
Can we give you an exact time of when this will be? No sadly not, it really is down the funding and the considerable work ongoing, but we do hope for it to be around 2025. If we had been given the funding requested back in 2015, the aircraft would be on the ramp today and all the things that we forecast then about this coming market, having been proven by many others, really validates that which we stated back then and highlights why you managed to get so much, so wrong.
Building a whole new aircraft from scratch is not easy, it takes vast sums of money, resources and an awful lot of goodwill and talent of those involved and having to put up with people like you, screaming from the sidelines while having done nothing even vaguely close in your own life, it really does depict what the ‘Internet’ of today has become, a void of egotistical, slightly unhinged elements who shout spurious claims and insults for what? Vanity? A need to feel good about yourself?
In all honesty, after six years development and coverage received which counters everything you believe to be true, we look at your inane ranting’s and frankly horrible manner and feel sorry for you, not only in your actual technical ignorance but more importantly, as a human being and supposed aerospace enthusiast. What would your daughter think of your internet rantings? Do you think she knows her father likes to take pleasure in the challenges others face and then hopes they fail? Not exactly model behaviour is it.
Fortunately other’s believed differently and for that we are thankful, which makes people like you, very much in the minority.
We of course hope you can get on with your life and whilst we find your personal attention flattering, we look forward to seeing you in person one day, when hopefully, at that point, you might even offer a fair ‘well done, it could not have been easy’… because with people like you around, it certainly is not and sadly, the aerospace sector is worse off because of it.
Alternatively, simply wish us luck as we do your daughter in her singing career.
Best Wishes
The Faradair Team
I feel this rose to the level of a veiled threat. Thoughts?
In any case, a cowardly and thin skinned attempt to intimidate a critic.
Some clarity- my "Trolling on social media" consisted of exactly three comments on Facebook (the only "Social media I do- I'm old!). I pointed out a small solar panel was a waste of time and that their power-recovery turbines (air driven turbines generating electricity to run the electric motor) simply defied physics. The reply was "All BEHA technologies will be proven". I re-iterated they couldn't work and was blocked. Ironically both have been left off the latest iteration (by which I mean drawings) of the proposed aircraft.
In six years I've left three comments in the comment section of articles about the company, absolutely all negative, but with justified criticisms- like they are saying they are going to make an autonomous water bombing version, which is just ridiculous. They have taken investors money, including Government funds. They are not nor should they be immune from criticism.
I've used their contact form on their website I think three times.
So that's it- maybe 8 comments in six years, which I think qualifies me as the worlds laziest troll!!!
And here's the response-
Dear Mr Wizofoz,
We often question what it was behind the most vindictive, malicious and downright nasty spirit that motivated our only troll?
We had hoped you had grown out of that, yet here you are again, with nothing but petty snide to offer and an unwillingness to recognise the facts and data, clearly validated and approved by talents greater than yours and that you might have been wrong. We guess you have missed the flight testing we have been carrying out of various systems in the US for the last two years? Or in fact the numerous elements and components in testing that we intend to put on the aircraft, but because we have not shared those details with you personally, you come to our website with yet another snide post.
Is it just so you can spout bile and petty anger toward a programme you know nothing about? The Irony of your surname, in the fact that Sir Frank had to endure similar in his day, really does perplex us.
For years we put up with your infantile tirades to the point we had to block you on social media and yet here you are again, now coming direct via the website! Having read the file of your ranting’s which Neil had collated in the past, including your numerous postings on different aviation forums under names like the Wizard of Oz, etc, it is clear that it is not just us you aim your petty barbs at, but anyone who dares to question you and frankly, it was not the behaviour of an Emirates 777 training Captain, it appeared more like the ravings of a lunatic.
The fact that engineering talent is helping us to shape the aircraft, sadly without hundreds of millions in budget yet, to develop the aircraft over six years, is ignored by you. The scale models, the CFD work, the partners secured and the systems testing, all irrelevant to your personal need to vent unfounded venom at a project which for whatever reason you chose to target.
Is the programme where we had intended it to be at the start of all this? No, sadly due to the funding market and financial culture in the UK, it is not. But it is progressing well and next year we will break ground on our prototyping facility, which is already funded and planning permission approved in case you were wondering.
However we assume you have never attempted to start an aircraft manufacturer yourself, so trying to explain all the challenges of bringing a clean sheet design aircraft to market, may be a fruitless task, especially looking at your past record in failing to hear that which you were being told.
Fortunately, despite your best desire to see the programme fail, the company is growing, the aircraft is developing, components are being worked on as we speak and yet it would not matter what announcements we make or the progress we make (slower than we would like), it will never be good enough for you.
We have come to accept that, but we do all remain curious as to where the origins of this bile came from?
Did you happen to know someone who knew Neil? a little chum or pal from Ansett and then in Dubai who set you on this vindictive course? As considering you have no connection to this programme whatsoever, it really is a puzzle as to your obsession to the point of stalking.
Imagine if someone went after your daughter on her Youtube page with the level of bile that you did to our programme over several years, frankly you should be embarrassed.
However, your past actions aside, one day, when the aircraft is flying and it comes down to Australia, we will come to your gliding club and we’ll let you and its members see just a fraction of the hard work and effort that has gone into this project and the considerable personal cost of everyone involved and we’ll invite you to take a flight in the aircraft, because unlike you, we don’t hold petty vindictive personal vendettas and having been proven wrong on practically every point you made about our programme, you really do need to move on.
Can we give you an exact time of when this will be? No sadly not, it really is down the funding and the considerable work ongoing, but we do hope for it to be around 2025. If we had been given the funding requested back in 2015, the aircraft would be on the ramp today and all the things that we forecast then about this coming market, having been proven by many others, really validates that which we stated back then and highlights why you managed to get so much, so wrong.
Building a whole new aircraft from scratch is not easy, it takes vast sums of money, resources and an awful lot of goodwill and talent of those involved and having to put up with people like you, screaming from the sidelines while having done nothing even vaguely close in your own life, it really does depict what the ‘Internet’ of today has become, a void of egotistical, slightly unhinged elements who shout spurious claims and insults for what? Vanity? A need to feel good about yourself?
In all honesty, after six years development and coverage received which counters everything you believe to be true, we look at your inane ranting’s and frankly horrible manner and feel sorry for you, not only in your actual technical ignorance but more importantly, as a human being and supposed aerospace enthusiast. What would your daughter think of your internet rantings? Do you think she knows her father likes to take pleasure in the challenges others face and then hopes they fail? Not exactly model behaviour is it.
Fortunately other’s believed differently and for that we are thankful, which makes people like you, very much in the minority.
We of course hope you can get on with your life and whilst we find your personal attention flattering, we look forward to seeing you in person one day, when hopefully, at that point, you might even offer a fair ‘well done, it could not have been easy’… because with people like you around, it certainly is not and sadly, the aerospace sector is worse off because of it.
Alternatively, simply wish us luck as we do your daughter in her singing career.
Best Wishes
The Faradair Team
I feel this rose to the level of a veiled threat. Thoughts?
In any case, a cowardly and thin skinned attempt to intimidate a critic.
