Independent instructing under Part 61
And I think we will see the difference between a proficiency check and flight rewiew come into play here. You are not training when you conduct a proficiency check. You are assessing their ability.
It's all well and good to say they won't need any training, but how often do you find a PPL who is due for a review who does everything without needing a tune-up here or there.
Honestly, how many instructors who are assuming they don't need a 141/142 are going to say, "we need to stop the review because I now need an approval which I don't have"?
The school who has paid for the exposition and time to get their training approval are going to be pretty pissed off at an instructor who moonlights their work.
Not unrealistic to say, "I'll just fudge the record that you didn't need any training", and that is a problem.
I agree CASA need to clarify this, (which I hope they will), but it's going to be a lot simpler to just do it under a 141/142.
Again, how many independants are carrying their own liability insurance? A school covers you. Alone, you've got your arse hanging out in the breeze. Sure many old hands remember the dramas Alan D. went through in SE QLD a few years back and he was covered!
It's all well and good to say they won't need any training, but how often do you find a PPL who is due for a review who does everything without needing a tune-up here or there.
Honestly, how many instructors who are assuming they don't need a 141/142 are going to say, "we need to stop the review because I now need an approval which I don't have"?
The school who has paid for the exposition and time to get their training approval are going to be pretty pissed off at an instructor who moonlights their work.
Not unrealistic to say, "I'll just fudge the record that you didn't need any training", and that is a problem.
I agree CASA need to clarify this, (which I hope they will), but it's going to be a lot simpler to just do it under a 141/142.
Again, how many independants are carrying their own liability insurance? A school covers you. Alone, you've got your arse hanging out in the breeze. Sure many old hands remember the dramas Alan D. went through in SE QLD a few years back and he was covered!
Whoa there, big fella.
We still haven’t established that the operative provisions which point to those words you highlighted in the definition of “Part 141 flight training” have the effect of prohibiting all instructors, other than instructors engaged by a Part 141 operator, from delivering training during a flight review.
That said, the authority to “conduct training to meet the general competency requirement in regulation 61.385” (CASR 61.1165(e)) could be interpreted as giving an ‘independent’ instructor with the appropriate training endorsement the authority to conduct only ground training to meet the general competency requirements.
Perhaps there is an intended difference drawn in 61.1165 between “flight training” and “training” (and “flight reviews” and “dual flight checks” etc). Maybe the authority in CASR 61.1165(e) permits the ‘independent’ instructor to conduct ground training in aircraft systems/W&B/landing and take off performance/normal, abnormal and emergency flight procedures. (In which case the ‘independent’ instructor would not have authority to conduct ‘flight training’ during a flight review, except for flight training for an endorsement (other than a flight examiner endorsement or for an endorsement on an operation rating) because ‘independent’ instructors are allowed to conduct that flight training under the authority granted by 61.1165(a).
The alternative (and plain English) interpretation is that “training” in 61.1165 is a general term covering all training including “flight training” and ground training, in which case the authority to “conduct training to meet the general competency requirement” covers ground and flight training and, therefore, independent instructors with the appropriate training endorsement may conduct that kind of training during a flight review….
We still haven’t established that the operative provisions which point to those words you highlighted in the definition of “Part 141 flight training” have the effect of prohibiting all instructors, other than instructors engaged by a Part 141 operator, from delivering training during a flight review.
That said, the authority to “conduct training to meet the general competency requirement in regulation 61.385” (CASR 61.1165(e)) could be interpreted as giving an ‘independent’ instructor with the appropriate training endorsement the authority to conduct only ground training to meet the general competency requirements.
Perhaps there is an intended difference drawn in 61.1165 between “flight training” and “training” (and “flight reviews” and “dual flight checks” etc). Maybe the authority in CASR 61.1165(e) permits the ‘independent’ instructor to conduct ground training in aircraft systems/W&B/landing and take off performance/normal, abnormal and emergency flight procedures. (In which case the ‘independent’ instructor would not have authority to conduct ‘flight training’ during a flight review, except for flight training for an endorsement (other than a flight examiner endorsement or for an endorsement on an operation rating) because ‘independent’ instructors are allowed to conduct that flight training under the authority granted by 61.1165(a).
The alternative (and plain English) interpretation is that “training” in 61.1165 is a general term covering all training including “flight training” and ground training, in which case the authority to “conduct training to meet the general competency requirement” covers ground and flight training and, therefore, independent instructors with the appropriate training endorsement may conduct that kind of training during a flight review….
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Might be in here somewhere?
Part 61 Manual of Standards
The MOS is published in four volumes containing the following information and schedules.
Volume 1
Volume 2
Volume 3
Volume 4
Part 61 Manual of Standards
The MOS is published in four volumes containing the following information and schedules.
Volume 1
- Legislative instrument (front section) PDF l Word
- Schedule 1A – Directory of abbreviations PDF l Word
- Schedule 1 – Directory PDF l Word
Volume 2
Volume 3
Volume 4
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Thanks guys. Not quite what I was looking for. I remember seeing something somewhere regards how it actually should be written up on a licence (it was a guide only), but for the life of me, I now just can't find it.
This sort of thing happens I suppose as you slide further into ones dotage!
This sort of thing happens I suppose as you slide further into ones dotage!
I remember seeing something somewhere regards how it actually should be written up on a licence (it was a guide only), but for the life of me, I now just can't find it.
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The title of 1230 is important, it says this section is about the record keeping obligations if operating independently of 141/2.
Kaz
Can anyone share their experiences of working as an independent instructor in the Part 61 era?
- got liability insurance - definitely consider what may happen if things go wrong eg aircraft insurance excess
- gave myself a big pay rise
- no flight and duty time records nor any other pain of an organisation subject to a CASA Ops Manual
- got a syllabus, briefings notes & training records
- still associated with a supportive flying school - good to be able to conduct briefings in a warm room etc
- I have my own airplane - can't see it working otherwise
- the school has the aeroplane online so gets a little income from it
- one flying school will not cross-hire their aeroplane to me, just to another school
Seems it is now so difficult for instructors here to get training endorsements for spin and aerobatics that I won't need to worry about competition from new starters for quite some time.
As for low level aerobatic endorsements:
- may now be granted by an appropriate aerobatic instructor rather than the few CASA delegates prior to Part 61
- all are now permanent with no limitations apart from the minimum height AGL
- so these days I don't do as many but enjoying it more!
- may now be granted by an appropriate aerobatic instructor rather than the few CASA delegates prior to Part 61
- all are now permanent with no limitations apart from the minimum height AGL
- so these days I don't do as many but enjoying it more!
