RNP $4,000 CASA Rip-Off?
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The Industry problems with DOT/CASA will only be solved when we get a Minister for Transport (or even better a Minister for Civil Aviation ) that is appointed because of his/her ability and understanding of aviation.
This will never happen as long as the Libs/Nats continue appoint a Nat who is a farmer, whose interest and expertise is in exporting rural produce. As well Labor always appoints a Minister who is from a noise impacted electorate and whose interest and expertise is in getting re elected and/or holding airport seats for Labor.
History shows that these 2 criteria have been used by both parties, vitually since we lost a dedicated Minister for Civil Aviation.The downhill slide of aviation in this country also mirrors the time since we had a dedicated Minister.
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This will never happen as long as the Libs/Nats continue appoint a Nat who is a farmer, whose interest and expertise is in exporting rural produce. As well Labor always appoints a Minister who is from a noise impacted electorate and whose interest and expertise is in getting re elected and/or holding airport seats for Labor.
History shows that these 2 criteria have been used by both parties, vitually since we lost a dedicated Minister for Civil Aviation.The downhill slide of aviation in this country also mirrors the time since we had a dedicated Minister.
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As a proud and decorated Australian identity, Dick shouldn't have to resort to pragmatic options in aircraft registration. I personally would have no problem with registering my new Citation in NZ nor employing a FAA certified pilot to fly it, but honestly, would anyone here leave it alone and not attack him if he did so?
But then again....maybe there is a point to bring it to the notice of bloody stupid apathetic public how bad things have become. But would you lot leave him alone?
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How about a hundred and twenty grand on myriad qualifications and endorsements, and you can't get a job unless its to work for free?
There is no possible way I could own an equivalent certified aircraft in this country
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Bob......Bob.........Bob............. So typical of most, read what I wrote on the Angel Flight thread 
I didn't say that anything needed to be done. I said: if people get killed in that activity why wouldn't CAsA take a look at it, it's their job.
I have the same sentiments, they won't change
The day CAsA put a stop to experimental in Australia is the day my aircraft gets flown out of this country
I didn't say that anything needed to be done. I said: if people get killed in that activity why wouldn't CAsA take a look at it, it's their job. I have the same sentiments, they won't change
The day CAsA put a stop to experimental in Australia is the day my aircraft gets flown out of this country
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Thanks Jack your very little sympathy means a lot.
Research or not, if one wants to be employable you still have to spend that amount of money, prior knowledge makes it no less expensive.
Research or not, if one wants to be employable you still have to spend that amount of money, prior knowledge makes it no less expensive.
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but jack if the clowns ever put a stop to experimental....
you won't be able to fly it out of the country.
you won't be able to fly it anywhere.
I'm sure you will get to know how to pack a container
you won't be able to fly it out of the country.
you won't be able to fly it anywhere.
I'm sure you will get to know how to pack a container
if people get killed in that activity why wouldn't CAsA take a look at it, it's their job.
but jack if the clowns ever put a stop to experimental....
It is utterly ridiculous that CASA wants to certify things that come as factory standard. Either the type is approved or it isn't. We cannot have the situation where CASA lets you register a particular aircraft then bans you from using any of it's factory standard equipment. Maybe it's time to lean on the manufacturers to lean on the government.
It would be like buying a brand new Mercedes and Vic Roads telling you can't turn on the cruise control and the air con!
It would be like buying a brand new Mercedes and Vic Roads telling you can't turn on the cruise control and the air con!
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Neville,
AWB 00-16 and CASR 21.114 clarify automatic acceptance of foreign STC's as issued by CASA. There is another thread discussing this issue of STC and EO's.
Worth knowing the detail on this case. Is it acceptance of approval or approval for crew to operate?
AWB 00-16 and CASR 21.114 clarify automatic acceptance of foreign STC's as issued by CASA. There is another thread discussing this issue of STC and EO's.
Worth knowing the detail on this case. Is it acceptance of approval or approval for crew to operate?
How about $6,000 and eighteen months for RVSM approval, aside from the fact the aircraft left the factory RVSM approved and flew all the way to OZ through RVSM airspace and Thats not counting the eighteen months of flying about at FL280 pumping vast amounts of carbon into our atmosphere.
Something seems to happen as soon as that VH is painted on an airframe.
Something seems to happen as soon as that VH is painted on an airframe.
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The question still remains as to what CASA have actually done to make Dick's aircraft safer or is this just a compliance issue. If it is just compliance filling in a form and sending it off with FAA approved documentation should have been enough. Sure you might have had to pay $200 for the form to be processed but 4k is ridiculous!
If it was me I would be asking for a complete breakdown of the hours spent by CASA and would like to know how they have justified it. If they cannot give you this they are ripping you off and a call to the.....oh wait. Where do we go to complain about CASA again?!?!
Agree with a previous comment also that nothing will change unless we get a new minister of aviation or transport that actually knows what they are doing.
If it was me I would be asking for a complete breakdown of the hours spent by CASA and would like to know how they have justified it. If they cannot give you this they are ripping you off and a call to the.....oh wait. Where do we go to complain about CASA again?!?!
Agree with a previous comment also that nothing will change unless we get a new minister of aviation or transport that actually knows what they are doing.
Sooooo, Dick whinges about Australia doing things it's own way, yet when we adopt an International standard and he has to pay he also whinges....... Console yourself with all the money you've saved with the other changes introduced over the years. Oh wait.....
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Nose-wheel, if you've ever had the mispleasure of seeing how government agencies work from the inside you would be mortified! For example in Dick's case they charged him $4k which was still probably a financial loss to CASA. Why? Well you have all those different hands that need to be used in the process - the admin girls, a Clerk, an Inspector, discussions with other Inspectors, a supervisor or department manager, time spent on Google, reading paperwork, shuffling paperwork, losing paperwork, not understanding the regulations, reading regulations, re-reading regulations, making up regulations, twisting regulations......get my drift? It is nauseating observing the levels of incompetence, laziness and disarray that calls itself, in part, a 'service centre'. And all this for what? To make Dick's plane safer?
Yep, taxpayer money pissed into the wind. I could have charged Dick half that price and still had enough change left over to spend on party balloons and a pinate for McCormick's farewell.
P.S Just because Dick can afford to pay the $4k thousands of times over doesn't mean he should have to. The cost is a crock and so is the supposed benefit. Nobody should have to put up with the impost, rich or poor.
Yep, taxpayer money pissed into the wind. I could have charged Dick half that price and still had enough change left over to spend on party balloons and a pinate for McCormick's farewell.
P.S Just because Dick can afford to pay the $4k thousands of times over doesn't mean he should have to. The cost is a crock and so is the supposed benefit. Nobody should have to put up with the impost, rich or poor.
Sooooo, Dick whinges about Australia doing things it's own way, yet when we adopt an International standard and he has to pay he also whinges....... Console yourself with all the money you've saved with the other changes introduced over the years. Oh wait.....
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Two bob's worth of RNP please.
Some weekend browsing below; it seems CASA have obligations toward RNP much the same as for RVSM. It seems fair to criticise the time and cost aspects of Dicks approval; AUD$ 2000 odd dollars / 160 = 12.5 man hours is an unreasonable add on to the red-tape requirement.
As you can gather from the AC and other information, there is a need to 'satisfy' the legal requirements, but with 'company' documents in order and a factory certified aircraft any more than a days work for one man seems excessive, perhaps a time/motion study would clarify the time wasted, on the telephone, sending e-mails, making coffee, yarning with whoever is sitting about the office. etc. etc..
I can defend the need for some form of 'evidence of compliance', but to charge for a day and a half when six hours of honest work would do the trick smacks of a mini rip off. It's callous manipulation the bloody system again; not the 'rules'.
No matter Dick – Uncle Wazza will fix it – sometime in the far distant future; lash out the rebates and have it all running like a Swiss watch in no time - won't he??
AC - 2005
AC 2012.
USAC_RNAC (Good read).
Toot - toot....
As you can gather from the AC and other information, there is a need to 'satisfy' the legal requirements, but with 'company' documents in order and a factory certified aircraft any more than a days work for one man seems excessive, perhaps a time/motion study would clarify the time wasted, on the telephone, sending e-mails, making coffee, yarning with whoever is sitting about the office. etc. etc..
I can defend the need for some form of 'evidence of compliance', but to charge for a day and a half when six hours of honest work would do the trick smacks of a mini rip off. It's callous manipulation the bloody system again; not the 'rules'.
No matter Dick – Uncle Wazza will fix it – sometime in the far distant future; lash out the rebates and have it all running like a Swiss watch in no time - won't he??
AC - 2005
AC 2012.
USAC_RNAC (Good read).
Toot - toot....
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Ask for a breakdown of costs from the service centre. In the past they have made errors charging for full new approval of companies when the applicant was only changing legal entity details.
The other catch is travel of minimum 1 hour each way even when on the same airfield as casa office.
The other catch is travel of minimum 1 hour each way even when on the same airfield as casa office.
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As for ADR car rules. that goes out the window soon we move to international standards. Our imported vehicles and if any are still built here will comply to world standards. You will even be able to go online and order from any dealer in the world and then ship any type model to here.
After just on 40 years of playing with real ultralights, i've given it all away. I've just had enough of the over regulation and unnecessary costs for things i didn't need. The RAAus failed audits kept me grounded for over three months for want of a sticker, then the following due rego they had another go by insisting on re weighing rewriting the manual and more hand in pocket. I now go to the USA once a year and fly the same machine with no license no rego and no hand in pocket. More fun with more people doing same. So all you rich types you got two choices, follow me, plenty of room in the States or sit on the pot and ****.
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After just on 40 years of playing with real ultralights, i've given it all away. I've just had enough of the over regulation and unnecessary costs for things i didn't need. The RAAus failed audits kept me grounded for over three months for want of a sticker, then the following due rego they had another go by insisting on re weighing rewriting the manual and more hand in pocket. I now go to the USA once a year and fly the same machine with no license no rego and no hand in pocket. More fun with more people doing same. So all you rich types you got two choices, follow me, plenty of room in the States or sit on the pot and ****.
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