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Old 25th Aug 2014, 07:38
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Duchess crash

Any one heard about VH BFP a Duchess crashing today?
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Old 25th Aug 2014, 07:50
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FlightAware has it BK-CWR thisarvo and scheduled CWR-BK...
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Old 25th Aug 2014, 08:13
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Channel 7 just had a clip on the news, didn't look like the aircraft crashed. Looked like a forced landing as a result of an attempted take over/altercation by a the pax as per the news report. Pretty sketchy report and sounded unbelievable. More to come I guess. It was reported that the pilot is ok which is great news.
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Old 25th Aug 2014, 08:13
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Not a crash as such, emergency landing in a paddock near Oberon after a passenger ran amok during the flight, second passenger, the victim of the attack has been transported to hospital with injuries, no news of the pilot. Report via local TV news so may be clarified further.
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Old 25th Aug 2014, 08:14
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was just on the nightly news, apparently the pax tried to take control of the aircraft and the pilot fought back. News saying pax has facial damage from the pilot belting him to let go of the controls, which is exactly what i would of done if he risked my life..... anyhow just repeating the media so more to come
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Old 25th Aug 2014, 08:21
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Local paper report

Two men hospitalised after emergency landing | Western Advocate
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Old 25th Aug 2014, 08:34
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While not trying to downplay the seriousness of the incident,
I can't help wondering how someone could 'run' amok in a Duchess.
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Old 25th Aug 2014, 08:44
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I can't help wondering how someone could 'run' amok in a Duchess.
Quite easily, if the were in the front, right seat. The dual controls are right in front of them.
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Old 25th Aug 2014, 08:48
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Fair enough, but sit amok just doesn't sit right.....
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Old 25th Aug 2014, 09:23
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Saddest part of this whole affair is that the scumbag passenger survived!


Hope the pilot comes out OK.
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Old 25th Aug 2014, 09:39
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The young Pilot seems to have given him a fair touch up.

The silly old coot has had to be transferred by Air Ambulance back to Sydney. I wonder if the old fella has some mental issues.

Sounds like a good job by the Pilot, he may of literally been fighting for his life.
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Old 25th Aug 2014, 10:20
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Wow. Haven't we all jumped to conclusions?

There are a few older ATOs... How do you know this wasn't one of them?

How do you know the pilot in command wasn't doing something stupid? How do you know the "silly old coot" wasn't an experienced, competent and sensible pilot with a gazillion hours experience?

I can imagine a host of possible scenarios for this event based on the scant facts at hand. Some are good for TV and some are more plausible.

Nobody's dead in this case so the truth will out in the end.
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Old 25th Aug 2014, 10:24
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Checklist;

Autopilot............ENGAGE
Fireaxe..............REMOVE
Passenger..........SUBDUE
Fireaxe..............RESTOW
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Old 25th Aug 2014, 10:44
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Of course we all know that as the PIC we have the automatic powers of a Constable to subdue passengers using any necessary force (aka fist, fire axe, fork, bullet) to protect the safety of the aircraft and those on board.



For those that think it can't happen, a mate was taking some disabled people for a fly in a chartered 182 when the guy in the rear who had a condition due to a truck accident years earlier, decided he was going to attack the pilot from behind. My mate literally crapped his pants as he had nothing he could do to defend himself other than work with the mans carer to subdue him.
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Old 25th Aug 2014, 11:24
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Duchess crash

I reckon Horatio could be onto something re the ATO scenario.
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Old 25th Aug 2014, 11:34
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I am only faintly familiar with the student body at the operator in question, and I don't know a great many ATOs in that location.

I am wondering why an IFR twin was at such a height over the Mountains that crashing it was a good option.

YES that could be a berko passenger. possibly.

It could also be a practice engine failure or Precautionary search on a test which the student has screwed up, and the ATO or instructor has been forced to say those magic words "Taking over" which of course results in a fail.

Headstrong/proud student or test candidate? Loss of face scenario?

I hope I am wrong because the senior ATOs I know do not deserve to be beaten up while doing their job, much less end up in a bent aeroplane and then in hospital as a result.

This is on the ABC website:

An elderly passenger tried to take control of a light plane and shut down one its engines as it was flying over regional New South Wales, the pilot has told authorities.
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Old 25th Aug 2014, 12:10
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1. It was a charter
2. NO ATO - Who has ever heard of an 82 YO ATO anyway ?
3. Pax went nuts
4. Pilot saved himself


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Old 25th Aug 2014, 12:14
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If that's the case - Well done that man!
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Old 25th Aug 2014, 12:28
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Who has ever heard of an 82 YO ATO anyway?
Well I haven't! But I know one who retired last year aged 78.
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