Airways clearance question
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Yeah, they do teach obtaining clearance.
To be a bit more clear, my question is: when you depart from a CTAF that is under the steps and you are climbing out into class C and you really only have a matter of minutes before you enter into class C because the airfield is high. (Eg YRID which is 1150ft elevation and class C is 2000ft, so only 850 ft above you), is it possible to get airways clearance before you take-off whilst on the ground at the CTAF.
If you train at a class D or a CTAF in the middle of class G then most new PPL holders will never have had to do this.
To be a bit more clear, my question is: when you depart from a CTAF that is under the steps and you are climbing out into class C and you really only have a matter of minutes before you enter into class C because the airfield is high. (Eg YRID which is 1150ft elevation and class C is 2000ft, so only 850 ft above you), is it possible to get airways clearance before you take-off whilst on the ground at the CTAF.
If you train at a class D or a CTAF in the middle of class G then most new PPL holders will never have had to do this.
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Riddell 1150, class C 2500 over the top of Riddell with the 3500 step at Monegeetta few miles north. There is a small 2000 ft east of Riddell to contain the ILS.
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Immediately to the east of the field at 1nm there is Class C at 2000ft and if you are departing NE/E/SE you will be in it in about 1 minute.
Thanks Jack Ranga and the earlier guys for the advice.
I'll submit a flight plan and ask for clearance in the air.
Thanks Jack Ranga and the earlier guys for the advice.
I'll submit a flight plan and ask for clearance in the air.
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Melbourne Centre, ABC, Cessna 172, taxiing location, to destination, request code
Capt. Claret,
Bang on. Neither does "request traffic".
Cynical,
You should have a flight plan in for entry to the Class C anyway, so next time, try the standard taxi call to Para Gnd without saying "request code" and I'd lay odds they still give it to you.
Everywhere else with the same local procedure does.
Drift;
You put a plan in to fly IFR, they know you're coming so no need for notifying with "XX Centre, ABC IFR taxi". They are expecting your call. Once you've made a taxi call, there's a 10 min sarwatch in place for your departure, so no "XX Centre, XYZ Departure" either.
'Spose some think it sounds cool...
Bang on. Neither does "request traffic".
Cynical,
You should have a flight plan in for entry to the Class C anyway, so next time, try the standard taxi call to Para Gnd without saying "request code" and I'd lay odds they still give it to you.
Everywhere else with the same local procedure does.
Drift;
You put a plan in to fly IFR, they know you're coming so no need for notifying with "XX Centre, ABC IFR taxi". They are expecting your call. Once you've made a taxi call, there's a 10 min sarwatch in place for your departure, so no "XX Centre, XYZ Departure" either.
'Spose some think it sounds cool...
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Sheldon,
I operated for many years out of Penfield. On quite a few occasions, till ATC banned it, I got a clearance from the Sunbury water tanks to Tulla to Essendon to Westgate or somewhere down that way. Hardly ever had any trouble.
First point: I always put in a plan.
Second point: I always made a taxy report to Melbourne Centre on 135.7 with 'expect clearance request airborne'.
Centre would invariably give me a code and 'remain OCTA'. That way, when I get airborne I can immediately be identified. In a surveillance environment you're very unlikely indeed to get a clearance until you are identified, which is why you probably won't get a clearance on the ground.
I would get airborne in the circuit or head out to the west a bit and call Centre for the clearance. They would usually tell me to call the Tower for a clearance having already coordinated the fact that I was taxying. If you were going the other way, it would probably be Departures, but same same.
As I said, hardly ever had a problem.
Philthy
I operated for many years out of Penfield. On quite a few occasions, till ATC banned it, I got a clearance from the Sunbury water tanks to Tulla to Essendon to Westgate or somewhere down that way. Hardly ever had any trouble.
First point: I always put in a plan.
Second point: I always made a taxy report to Melbourne Centre on 135.7 with 'expect clearance request airborne'.
Centre would invariably give me a code and 'remain OCTA'. That way, when I get airborne I can immediately be identified. In a surveillance environment you're very unlikely indeed to get a clearance until you are identified, which is why you probably won't get a clearance on the ground.
I would get airborne in the circuit or head out to the west a bit and call Centre for the clearance. They would usually tell me to call the Tower for a clearance having already coordinated the fact that I was taxying. If you were going the other way, it would probably be Departures, but same same.
As I said, hardly ever had a problem.
Philthy
