Moth down in Toowoomba

[Avgas172]

9 news report of VH BCC down near the airport, crew ok.

[Ex FSO GRIFFO]

Thankyou. I see 'crew ok', but may I ask, how is the aircraft..?

Cheers

[tail wheel]

Slightly the worst for wear?



Bit of work and it may buff out?

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/q...-1227011122668

[Avgas172]

I need to do my fabric and timber endorsements, I'll give them a ring.

[emeritus]

Always sad to see.

Wonder how many times during its life the nose and lower cowls have been repaired?

Emeritus.

[Scottw]

Unfortunately it was really not that long ago this aircraft returned to the air after an extensive restoration period. with the untimely passing of the previous owner the project was purchased by Toowoomba based maintenance facility who completed the restoration. I was present to see the first post restoration flight.

[601]

Crosswind check on next BFR??

[A37575]

Crosswind check on next BFR??

My old RAAF Pilot's Notes Publication No. 416 February 1944 for Tiger Moth Aircraft says nothing about maximum crosswind component. With only a tail skid and no brakes then I guess you need to avoid any crosswind. If you can't take off and land into wind then don't fly that day. I suppose the Tiger Moth that crashed also had its leading edge slots removed to save maintenance money. It so, that's a great pity. Although the slots reduced the stall speed by only about three knots they had the big advantage of signalling the approaching stall by the unmistakeable noise of the slots clacking in and out.

[CHAIRMAN]

My old RAAF Pilot's Notes Publication No. 416 February 1944 for Tiger Moth Aircraft says nothing about maximum crosswind component.

They say nothing because in those days fields were 'all over', so x/wind was never an issue.
Old aero club operating handbooks, and old instructors state 7-8 knots max x/wind.

Crosswind check on next BFR??

Who's going to do it? Not too many instructors proficient on Tigers these days.
Anyway, this incident had a good outcome, thankfully no injuries I believe.
Taxying/ground handling in Tigers, particularly those not fitted with brakes/tailwheel, is very demanding even for the very experienced - especially with the bitumen and narrow grassed areas in most aerodromes we operate from. Those that know me, know that I speak from experience

I suppose the Tiger Moth that crashed also had its leading edge slots removed to save maintenance money. If so, that's a great pity.

I am sure that the owner would not have removed the slats to save money. Money would have been no object in this restoration. Slats were an option not used on many UK Tigers. The RAAF decided to fit them on Aussie manufactured aircraft and pay the required royalty to Handley Page (a few quid I think) for each aircraft built. There is a small benefit as you say, but likely not enough to make any difference to the outcome. A stall warning device in the absence of any other.
I'm sure the pilot has gained some valuable experience with his unfortunate mishap, and hope he repairs the aircraft and gets back in the air as soon as possible.................don't look back

[cowl flaps]

Why does the register list the engine manufacturer as General Motors Holden ?

[rjtjrt]

GMH produced Gipsy Major engines during WW2.

[blackburn]

About 1300 Gipsy Major engines were produced by GMH who also produced the P&W R1830 engines during WW2.

[Brian Abraham]

The P@W R-1830 was produced by CAC, which was formed by BHP and GMH. As with the Gypsy where some 85 subcontractors supplied components, so too with the P@W, cylinders being machined at BHP work shop in Whyalla for example.

[Stanwell]

Thanks Brian.
What about the P&W 1340s - same score with them?

[JammedStab]

Another crosswind on takeoff accident three days ago. These aircraft are not designed for strong crosswinds. If you have enough width, you can angle across the runway somewhat and will normally get airborne quite quickly. Otherwise, keeping it where it is...on the ground is best.

UPDATE: Plane that crashed in Delta rare, Second World War era | Globalnews.ca

[JammedStab]

A14P0138: The DeHavilland DH82-C Tiger Moth, C-GMFT, operated by the Langley Museum for demonstration, was at the Delta Heritage Air Park fly-in event. During takeoff to return to Langley regional airport, with a pilot and a passenger, it crashed in small trees and a ditch next to the grass runway (RWY25). The wind sock indicated a crosswind >15 knots during the takeoff roll. As the aircraft approached the junction of a taxiway, it proceeded into an unsheltered area and was observed drifting to the right. It briefly bounced before lifting off. The right wing initially picked up before the aircraft pitched up and rotated clockwise toward the runway edge line, where it fell nose down into the bordering trees and ditch. All four wings of this tandem seating biplane straddled the ditch with the nose pointed down. The pilot and passenger were wearing shoulder harnesses, they extricated themselves and were assessed by a doctor that was on site. Both suffered minor injuries and were taken to hospital for observation. Police, fire personnel, an ambulance, TSB and TC attended.