blacksmith

Garden variety MECIR recency question. A VOR approach satisfies the 90 day recency requirement for a DGA(VOR as tracking). An ILS/LLZ satisfies the recency for a VOR... So ... Does ILS/LLZ satisfy recency for a DGA(VOR as tracking)?

Bladeangle

The only procedure that satisfies the 90 day recency requirement for a DME arrival is a GPS arrival and vice versa.

Iv never heard of a VOR taking care of the DGA, but your right in saying the ILS/LLZ within 90 days looks after the VOR.

blacksmith

Prior to my last renewal, my thinking was the same as yours bladeangle... but my then ATO interpreted CAO 40.2.1 para 11.3 differently ... "unless, in the immediately preceding 90 days, the holder has performed an approach using the same type of navigation aid..."

In other words if I have done a VOR approach in the prior 90 days then that would satisfy a recency for a DGA using VOR as tracking since this is using the "same type of navigation aid" - namely a VOR.

Capn Bloggs

A DGA is an approach using the distance to step you down. Anybody who thinks that a plain old VOR or LLZ (without a need for profile management using distance) would satisfy that skill-set demonstration has got the worng end of the stick.

blacksmith

You're right - descent management is important and this would apply with eg. a VOR/DME approach.

Anyways - interesting discussion. In my first reincarnation in the industry (1980s), we did a thing called a Class 1 and there wasn't such a thing as a DGA endorsement on your instrument rating... although DME arrivals were published and we flew them all the time... just with the primary NAVAID recency.

I only got back on the horse a couple of years ago (just flying privately now) and in my "renewal" to get the MECIR it was surprising to see the DGA as a whole separate endorsement with it's own recency... that's what they call progress I guess.

Captain Nomad

My duty and flight time program does not renew approach recency for DGA when I do a VOR approach so that interpretation must be wrong!

Seriously, I think that ATO may want to talk to a few others to discover what page he's on... I thought it was only industry that was allowed to come up with interesting interpretations of the regs - if CASA start doing it too we're all 'rooned!

ForkTailedDrKiller

That's because people kept running into the granite!

Dr

PS: Interesting, and perhaps a little worrisome, to see people who presumably are doing renewals ever 12 mths or so, who DO NOT know the rules!

Bladeangle

Left out the rest of the sentence in para 11.3, navigation aid OR PROCEDURE!

seneca208

Having done my initial instrument rating in NZ, I also found it fairly strange that DGAs required a separate endorsement. In NZ it was just part of flying IFR at some airports.

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