Do we mumble on the radio in Oz?
Capt,
I think the AIP makes it 'fuzzy' when it talks about the IFR call WRT making it to ATC or as part of the taxi call. The GEN 3.4-49 calls 'for a departure at non controlled aerdorome' could easily be read as calls to the aerodrome traffic, rather than to ATS.
It would be great if 'they' would make it a lot clearer for us anally retentive types
I think the AIP makes it 'fuzzy' when it talks about the IFR call WRT making it to ATC or as part of the taxi call. The GEN 3.4-49 calls 'for a departure at non controlled aerdorome' could easily be read as calls to the aerodrome traffic, rather than to ATS.
It would be great if 'they' would make it a lot clearer for us anally retentive types
Allthecool...
The question referred to whether or not you precede the taxi call or departure report to Centre with "BN/ML Centre, ABC, IFR Taxi/Departure" to give them notice of the impending report. The answer is NO.
As for broadcasting on ATS or a CTAF, both are required.
ENR 1.1 46
Summary of Reports - All IFR in Class G and
Summary of Broadcasts - All Aircraft at Non-Towered Aerodromes respectively.
Bloggs
Not trying to appear as a dickywhacker here, but I would probably tend to include IFR after the callsign on a CTAF call if only to make any traffic aware you may be emerging from cloud shortly. There is nothing in the rules either way here, but an "operating clear of cloud" call is required if that is the separation being maintained, so why not alert any VFR traffic that you are coming down and may not have the margin to see and avoid that 1000'/1500M provides? If anything, it may prompt a position call from the said VFR traffic? Obviously wouldn't need the IFR bit if it is SKC...
The question referred to whether or not you precede the taxi call or departure report to Centre with "BN/ML Centre, ABC, IFR Taxi/Departure" to give them notice of the impending report. The answer is NO.
As for broadcasting on ATS or a CTAF, both are required.
ENR 1.1 46
Summary of Reports - All IFR in Class G and
Summary of Broadcasts - All Aircraft at Non-Towered Aerodromes respectively.
Bloggs
Not trying to appear as a dickywhacker here, but I would probably tend to include IFR after the callsign on a CTAF call if only to make any traffic aware you may be emerging from cloud shortly. There is nothing in the rules either way here, but an "operating clear of cloud" call is required if that is the separation being maintained, so why not alert any VFR traffic that you are coming down and may not have the margin to see and avoid that 1000'/1500M provides? If anything, it may prompt a position call from the said VFR traffic? Obviously wouldn't need the IFR bit if it is SKC...
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You guys are fine. Yank pilots and ATC understand you perfectly. I think it's us that the rest of the world can't understand (sarcasm). There was a thread on PPRUNE started by some Euro's wondering if non standard US R/T lead to the Asiana crash in SFO.......I'm surpised that non standard US r/t wasn't blamed on all of the Lion Air mishaps as well......
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"All Stations" when I started and as far as I'm concerned it still is, and the radio is never too busy to say Good Morning/day.
As to US controllers is that they generally treat all as locals and speed read their instructions, otherwise generally pretty good. Americans are mainly interested in getting the info across, Australians that it's according to the book.
As to US controllers is that they generally treat all as locals and speed read their instructions, otherwise generally pretty good. Americans are mainly interested in getting the info across, Australians that it's according to the book.
I acknowledge it does get confusing when someone is tracking 090 on the 270 bearing if you can't make the mental picture happen but rather than dumbing down our calls better education is my preference.
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MIHC said
Is that in accordance with AIP GEN 3.4 - 12 (4.3 Transmission Format - 4.3.1 and 4.3.2)?
The only iFR call that needs a notification/announcement is a position report.
