Jumps Seating in Australia
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Jumps Seating in Australia
Greetings,
I am planning to spend a few weeks in Australia and would like to know if OAL pilots are authorized to list for a jump seat (JS) on any Australian and/or New Zealand carrier and "flow back" to passenger seats if cabin seats are available.
I understand I can not actually be on the cockpit JS but with reciprocal agreements between airlines, pilots use a JS listing to gain economical access to cabin seats.
As a Delta Air Lines (DL) pilot, I've taken pilots to/from the US to South America, Europe, Asia.... as long as they abide by the guidelines & there is seat availability in the cabin.
Appreciate any assistance anyone can give me. Thanks....
I am planning to spend a few weeks in Australia and would like to know if OAL pilots are authorized to list for a jump seat (JS) on any Australian and/or New Zealand carrier and "flow back" to passenger seats if cabin seats are available.
I understand I can not actually be on the cockpit JS but with reciprocal agreements between airlines, pilots use a JS listing to gain economical access to cabin seats.
As a Delta Air Lines (DL) pilot, I've taken pilots to/from the US to South America, Europe, Asia.... as long as they abide by the guidelines & there is seat availability in the cabin.
Appreciate any assistance anyone can give me. Thanks....
BuryMe etc.
The short answer is no, in Australia there has never been the equivalent of the common practice in the US. Indeed, in at least two cases of which I am aware, one being United, a major Australian carrier wrote to United, and requested that they, United, desist from the practice for all employees of the Australian carrier.
I am pleased to say that, in my experience, United took no notice at all.
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The short answer is no, in Australia there has never been the equivalent of the common practice in the US. Indeed, in at least two cases of which I am aware, one being United, a major Australian carrier wrote to United, and requested that they, United, desist from the practice for all employees of the Australian carrier.
I am pleased to say that, in my experience, United took no notice at all.
Tootle pip!!
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I would be curious to see if somehow there would be a way to get international jumpseating set up. I have heard stories of people being able to jumpseat within Europe. Something official like Jumpseat Information > Home in the US would be nice for pilots who are traveling abroad.
LeadSled, why were they so offended that such a practice would go on, and has there been any sort of movement to allow jumpseating within Australia to become more like the US?
For the DL pilot, at the moment, your best bet in the mean time is to purchase zed fares...although I wonder if a fare on JetStar would cost the same as a zed.
LeadSled, why were they so offended that such a practice would go on, and has there been any sort of movement to allow jumpseating within Australia to become more like the US?
For the DL pilot, at the moment, your best bet in the mean time is to purchase zed fares...although I wonder if a fare on JetStar would cost the same as a zed.
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You think the TSA are wank@s, spend a little time in Australian aviation, there you'll get the full meaning of the words: beauracracy, redtape, incompetence, ignorance, etc, etc.
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Unfortunately, the Australian airlines do not have the same system as in the USA where basically anyone from the biggies , with a reciprocal agreement, can get a courtesy seat on most of the airlines, sometimes with the very civilized limit of the number of 'jumpseat' spaces available being the number of empty seats on the aircraft. It was a great way to get around. As advised earlier, use ZED fares.
Even with a paid staff travel ticket, flight deck access was ( I am now retired) only available if the cabin was full, ASIC provided and Captain's approval given.
I hope you enjoy your visit.
Even with a paid staff travel ticket, flight deck access was ( I am now retired) only available if the cabin was full, ASIC provided and Captain's approval given.
I hope you enjoy your visit.
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No Jumpseat Agreements here...
Unfortunately BMUD, jumpseat privileges are not available in Australia.
I flew for a Part 121 carrier in the US for many years and really miss the CASS jumpseat system. (So does my wallet - in comparison, staff travel is VERY expensive)
For over 10 years I was looked after (nearly always in First or Business) by crews from across the US aviation spectrum. That courtesy and friendly comradeship that was extended with a warm (and free) welcome into a comfortable ride anywhere on that carriers network is something I wish we had in this country.
Being able to extend a free ride to a fellow aviator is something the US industry should be very proud of.
Alas, "ownership" of the jumpseats in Australia by the flight deck was lost many years ago. Unfortunately there is just not enough will or pilot union political clout to ever enable a US-like jumpseat system here.
As previous posters have noted, ZED fares and interline tickets are the best you will do. Fares on the low-cost carriers are often cheaper than this and are obviously confirmed rather than space available.
Hope you have an enjoyable visit.
PG
I flew for a Part 121 carrier in the US for many years and really miss the CASS jumpseat system. (So does my wallet - in comparison, staff travel is VERY expensive)
For over 10 years I was looked after (nearly always in First or Business) by crews from across the US aviation spectrum. That courtesy and friendly comradeship that was extended with a warm (and free) welcome into a comfortable ride anywhere on that carriers network is something I wish we had in this country.
Being able to extend a free ride to a fellow aviator is something the US industry should be very proud of.
Alas, "ownership" of the jumpseats in Australia by the flight deck was lost many years ago. Unfortunately there is just not enough will or pilot union political clout to ever enable a US-like jumpseat system here.
As previous posters have noted, ZED fares and interline tickets are the best you will do. Fares on the low-cost carriers are often cheaper than this and are obviously confirmed rather than space available.
Hope you have an enjoyable visit.
PG
