RAAF buys P-8A Poseidon
Why would you want to operate an airframe optimised for high altitude flight and powered by a turbofan for (presumably) long endurance, low level missions?
What have they done to avoid these compromises for what looks like a 737-derived P8A?
What have they done to avoid these compromises for what looks like a 737-derived P8A?
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Electronic surveillance is at med/higher levels these days. Also the transit speed to/from AO is much reduced. Also the US Navy don't buy dud M/R aircraft...fits in with E-7A Wedgetail/BBJ fleet as well.
Don't forget it has in-flight refuelling capability too...
Don't forget it has in-flight refuelling capability too...
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With 3 737NG platforms and the A330MRTT, the RAAF is starting to look a lot like Qantas/Virgin.
Good for RAAF pilots when they leave the service...
Good for RAAF pilots when they leave the service...
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ooops....bought a dud....rumor has it they left out the system that tracks subs...
The U.S. Navy’s next generation submarine hunter isn’t any good yet at hunting enemy submarines, according to recent Defense Department tests first reported on by Bloomberg.
A report filed by Michael Gilmore, chief of the Pentagon testing office, stated that the P-8A Poseidon exhibited flaws in the “plane’s radar performance, sensor integration and data transfer,” according to Bloomberg reporter Tony Capaccio, who received an early version of Gilmore’s report.
The U.S. Navy has spent about $35 billion on the P-8. The reported stated that the aircraft, which was built to replace the P-3 Orion, is not yet deployable, according to Gilmore’s report.
The Navy ran the P-8 through strenuous combat testing from September 2012 to March 2013. Results of those tests led Gilmore to conclude that the P-8 “is not effective for the intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance mission and is not effective for wide area anti-submarine search,” according to the Bloomberg report.
U.S. officials outfitted a Boeing 737–800 with sensors capable of tracking submarines to produce the P-8. The Navy expected the P-8 to replace the P-3 and effectively track Chinese submarines.
The Navy plans to buy 113 of the P-8. So far, Boeing has delivered 13 of the aircraft.
Navy leaders told Bloomberg they are aware of the problems discovered in the P-8 and are working on software solutions to those problems.
http://defensetech.org/2014/01/24/re...r-doesnt-work/
The U.S. Navy’s next generation submarine hunter isn’t any good yet at hunting enemy submarines, according to recent Defense Department tests first reported on by Bloomberg.
A report filed by Michael Gilmore, chief of the Pentagon testing office, stated that the P-8A Poseidon exhibited flaws in the “plane’s radar performance, sensor integration and data transfer,” according to Bloomberg reporter Tony Capaccio, who received an early version of Gilmore’s report.
The U.S. Navy has spent about $35 billion on the P-8. The reported stated that the aircraft, which was built to replace the P-3 Orion, is not yet deployable, according to Gilmore’s report.
The Navy ran the P-8 through strenuous combat testing from September 2012 to March 2013. Results of those tests led Gilmore to conclude that the P-8 “is not effective for the intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance mission and is not effective for wide area anti-submarine search,” according to the Bloomberg report.
U.S. officials outfitted a Boeing 737–800 with sensors capable of tracking submarines to produce the P-8. The Navy expected the P-8 to replace the P-3 and effectively track Chinese submarines.
The Navy plans to buy 113 of the P-8. So far, Boeing has delivered 13 of the aircraft.
Navy leaders told Bloomberg they are aware of the problems discovered in the P-8 and are working on software solutions to those problems.
http://defensetech.org/2014/01/24/re...r-doesnt-work/
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Project costs include purchase plus support for 15-20 years as well as sims and base redevelopment etc. It is the "new" accounting method showing full project costs not just aircraft or equipment price...
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I guess one question is......Can the P-8 drop a liferaft to the 'future' Tony Bullimore's of the world..??
Is this to replace the P-3's ALTOGETHER..??
Cheaper to 'man and operate' maybe....BUT.....for those 'specialised' tasks....What then..??
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Is this to replace the P-3's ALTOGETHER..??
Cheaper to 'man and operate' maybe....BUT.....for those 'specialised' tasks....What then..??
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I guess one question is......Can the P-8 drop a liferaft to the 'future' Tony Bullimore's of the world..??
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If Tony Bullimore gets stranded/capsized/almost killed in, on or by a yacht in Australian waters ever again, I vote we let the bugger drown!
He left no doubt to any listener as to his deep appreciation of the Australian Navy and the Australian people for his rescue.
For your info:
Rescue in the Southern Ocean
Tony Bullimore
Penguin Group Australia, 1 Jan 1997 - Marine accidents - 96 pages
A day-by-day photographic account of the rescues of Vendee Globe yachtsmen Tony Bullimore, Thierry Dubois and Raphael Dinelli. Proceeds from the sale of the book go to the Australian Search and Rescue Awards.
Tony Bullimore
Penguin Group Australia, 1 Jan 1997 - Marine accidents - 96 pages
A day-by-day photographic account of the rescues of Vendee Globe yachtsmen Tony Bullimore, Thierry Dubois and Raphael Dinelli. Proceeds from the sale of the book go to the Australian Search and Rescue Awards.
….crew members knocked on the hull. Hearing the noise, Bullimore swam out from his boat and was quickly rescued by personnel from Adelaide. HMAS Adelaide then returned both Dubois and Bullimore to Perth. During the return journey, Bullimore met with each member of the boat's crew to thank them for saving his life.