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Old 23rd Jan 2014, 02:58
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Originally Posted by lilflyboy262...2 from Canada
You move next to an airport, expect aircraft landing and taking off.

Its like living next to train tracks, expect to have trains going past.

You can't move to a place.... and then complain about the noise of something that is already established there.
What evidence do you have that this operation was in place before the complainants moved into the area?
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Old 23rd Jan 2014, 03:13
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Yeah, Lilflyboy from Canada! Of course Sarge is from Straya so knows our unique noise problems with airfields and complaining neighbours does not happen anywhere else in the world....

Capn Bloggs - what's your point?

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Old 23rd Jan 2014, 03:21
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What evidence do you have that this operation was in place before the complainants moved into the area?
Bit unrealistic to expect a Canadian to know the exact circumstances of one airfield in Australia.

The skydiving operation has been at Tyagarah for 20 years, the airfield is about 43 years old. Average age of first home owner being 30, would put the average complainant who bought before the airfield was opened in their 70s...

I can't exactly see a 70+ year old inflicting what has been done here?
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Old 23rd Jan 2014, 03:22
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What evidence do you have that this operation was in place before the complainants moved into the area?
It's not my post, but I would guess there would be an assumption that they must be quite new to the area, as there has been a wide variety of skydiving aircraft (I personally know of Queenairs, Navajos, Senecas, 182s, PAC750's and the caravan in question) over at least the better part of 20 years. All the aircraft I have seen take off and head straight out over the water and climb there.

And either way, it doesn't matter what side of the arguement you come down on, nothing gives anybody the right to do that. If you don't like the noise my car makes as I drive home at night, does that give you the right to go and cut my brakes? There are (legal!) avenues for complaining about noise.
My personal opinion is they can go and themselves, and harden up a little bit. 30 seconds of a slightly elevated decible level once an hour during daylight hours warrants such disgusting behaviour? I don't think so.
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Old 23rd Jan 2014, 03:24
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Capn Bloggs - what's your point?
The canadian is obviously accusing the complainants of moving in after the operation started, and therefore have no right to complain (with which I agree). I am merely asking him what evidence he has that that is actually the case ie that the op was there before the noise complainers moved in.

Or were the hillbillies there first?

Bit unrealistic to expect a Canadian to know the exact circumstances of one airfield in Australia.
He posted it, so he must be an expert on the situation...
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Old 23rd Jan 2014, 03:31
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I'll spell it out just in case Lilflyboy thinks I'm having a go. I know for a fact that there is an active noise lobby at most airfields in the UK. I would bet that there is similar in Canada, the US, and probably most other countries where sport, recreational and even public transport aviation takes place.

Some of you blokes are giving the impression that it's an Australian problem and no one from ignorant overseas is allowed to express an opinion.

Parochial is one word that springs to mind!

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Old 23rd Jan 2014, 03:35
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I think lbf262 might be a NZer

Flying with some awful crew is trip Bloggs?
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Old 23rd Jan 2014, 03:36
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....And in my experience that is the age old argument - the airport was there first, so anyone moving close by since has no grounds to complain - couldn't agree more. And as I know that Tyagarah was a PJE operation as long ago as the early 80's it is quite likely that most people have moved there since.

And that happens overseas as well, you know!

Why didn't you ask Sarge for his reasoning?

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Old 23rd Jan 2014, 03:47
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At our airfield we had a local that complained about the Tiger Moth flying over his house. The Tiger Moth very rarely ever follows the same flight path so in reality he was probably only flown over once or maybe twice a weekend.

He turned up one weekend and was using his phone to take closeup photos of the pilots, employeed and customers in the office, so he was upsetting customers. Once of the local pilots challenged him doing it and the complainant punched him in the face. No charges were laid however I don't believe he has complained since.

It's disappointing when complainants believe that they need to take it to the next level like this guy did.
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Old 23rd Jan 2014, 04:07
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If its near Byron, its robably a couple of old hippy stoners that did it. There are some very nasty types up there. I suggest the cops look for someone who has recently moved into the area.

P.S. THe Byron hardware store may have CCTV footage of someone buying blue marking spray paint, caan't be too much of that around.
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Old 23rd Jan 2014, 04:18
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Gee willikers you lot, all I was asking was some facts from the Canadian to back up his position/claim (not opinion). Now a universal-expert-on-noise-at-all-the-world's-airfields pops up accusing me of being parochial.
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Old 23rd Jan 2014, 04:19
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Word will filter out. People like this will brag about it to mates
so eventually the names are likely to become known.
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Old 23rd Jan 2014, 04:32
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@RAC/OPS: Before jumping down lilflyboy262's throat, have you considered he may be an Aussie living in Canada......

Irrespective of weather the operation was there before or after folks moved in to the area and began to have issues with noise etc etc, vandalizing an aircraft, not to mention any tampering that we, on the forum, cannot see from the photo, is no way to get a resolution to any perceived problems.

I see the Tyagarah airfield has a number to call for noise complaints, they should have taken their complaint there. Not damaged an aircraft that has the potential to now cost a local business thousands of dollars, cost the pilot/pilots and other staff money as they cannot operate. Has the potential to drive other owners and users of the airfield away as they now cannot be confident their aircraft will be safe and secure, which could again, potentially remove more money from the community, all because someone threw a tanty.
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Old 23rd Jan 2014, 05:02
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AussieNick - I was defending Lilflyboy's statement. Another poster seems to have a problem with someone from not Australia having his say. I was trying to point out that noise problems are more universal than some of the more insular would believe.

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Old 23rd Jan 2014, 05:19
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Never had that sort of action here but one time a somewhat annoyed female walked into the local Gliding Club's office to complain about the tugs overflying her newly constructed house and upsetting their peace!

The Office Manager quietly asked her; ''Why on earth did you build a house right under the circuit area of an operational airfield, and one that has been so for about the last thirty years?''

The answer was along the lines of......'ummm....errr....'

She left the office without saying another word.
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Old 23rd Jan 2014, 05:57
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''Why on earth did you build a house right under the circuit area of an operational airfield, and one that has been so for about the last thirty years?''
because its cheap! and with enough complaining and whinging, the airport will close, just ask the real estate agent he told me so, when airport closes = Profit!

and the aviation people in that neck of the woods need to realise their "harmless fun" is impacting on some people lives so largely, that they feel the need to take this drastic action.
as is most often the case, the serial noise complainers who are so adversely impacted by severe aircraft noise, have been proven, time and time again, that they are serial complainers with no hard evidence to back up their whinging. Take Sonja from wollongong, she generated 95% of all aircraft complaints when living at Bankstown, her husband generated 4%.

She has since moved on, and bought approx 500mtrs beside the approach to runway 26 at Wollongong, next to a train line. and sure enough, the complaints come rolling in.

Myself and another sky dive operator there have been called by Council to answer her allegations of us deliberately flying over her house when departing runway 26, (my aircraft is similar paint scheme to the skydive aircraft) she claimed on a certain days we deliberately tracked off centreline and directly over her house.
fortunately for myself and the skydive operator, the GPS has a long track memory. proving neither of our aircraft never used runway 26/08 on the days in question and every time since, we have been proving her wrong with factual track info.

Another was at a small airfield on the south coast, many lawsuits later, and many taxpayer funds wasted, sound recordings done independently proved that the aircraft noise from the complainants locations (there were a group of complainers who went as far as forming an association to complain) didn't even register above background noise. their logic seams to be, i can see it, therefore i hear it and must complain as it effects me... (despite court ordered evidence to the contrary).

these types complain for the sake of complaining, and sadly, these types do have issues that lead them to believe they are being adversely effected by aircraft noise that drives them to commit such acts.
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Old 23rd Jan 2014, 06:55
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Airport noise

Folks may very well remember the attempt by a noisy few who live close by the Caloundra airport a few years back to close that airport due to “noisy and dangerous” operation of aircraft, primarily rotary aircraft. At the time Chopperline bent over backwards to appease this very vocal minority. In about 2011 the local Council (who administer the airport) and the State Government (who own the airport) tipped a bucket of cold water on the debate by ruling that the airport stays.
On 16 Jan 2014 and letter appeared in the local paper (Caloundra Weekly) which I feel I must transcribe here as evidence of the mentality of these airport noise protestors. It reads:

“Words drowned out.
BELLS Reach and Belvista residents need to know that Noosa Council has just voted to restrict helicopters using Teewah air strip.
If Saturday, January 11 and Sunday 12th’s activity is a guide, 40-plus movements on Saturday and 40-plus movements on Sunday, these operators have already relocated.
“Becker” had two machines, and there was also a blue and yellow contraption operating continuously on both days over the estates. During this time it was impossible to have a conversation on the verandah.
Our local councilor does not live in the area and I suspect will do nothing or little about the situation, but I for one will not give up until we receive the consideration and respect we deserve from these operators and council.
People power can change this, and I think we can.
Shouldn’t be too hard: phone calls, letters, email, Facebook, Twitter, use whatever means you can to put an end to this blatant abuse of our privacy and rights."
(signed) Maurie Woodward, Belvista

As you well know Mr. Woodward, the Caloundra airport has been there for some 40 years. Belvista was developed in the last 10 to 15 years and Bells Reach only opened last year. You knew there was an airport there and you choose to live there. Residents of Bells Reach have to sign a disclaimer when purchasing acknowledging that their properties are as close as 60 metres to the runway and cannot complain about noise.

Regarding the Noosa Councils statement that they are banning all except emergency movements are the Teewah airstrip, good luck guys. The airstrip is owned by the National Parks and situated within a National Park. The closest house is a few kilometres from the airstrip and the toffee nosed wingers in the Noosa area are only complaining about aircraft overflying their homes (legally) at 1000 + feet. I am not a pilot but am sick and tired of the winging, wailing and lies issuing from this brainless minority who have nothing better to do with their lives. Sometimes I wonder if they really do have a life at all.
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Old 23rd Jan 2014, 07:00
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Idiots everywhere

Look no further than here for the types of idiots that are out there looking for something to complain about -

Index

Ultralights -

deliberately tracked off centreline and directly over her house
Can you please tell me exactly where this CCL house is, so when I am next in the Gong, I can ... ah ... take special precautions to ...err... AVOID overflying?!
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Old 23rd Jan 2014, 08:17
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One look from Al will have the perps cowering. One hour of ICUS with Al will have the perps begging for police action.

If the local filth can't work out who this was they should be transferred to the Cross. I reckon if someone paid my wages for a fortnight I could work it out. When I found out who it was I would use the doods that are very effective at debt recovery, they ride motorcycles.
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Old 23rd Jan 2014, 08:23
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Holy sweet jesus.

Do none of you realize that you can move overseas?

Heck, I'm not even in Canada anymore.
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